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>>>>> "Deckard" == Deckard  <rdeckard@venus.net> writes:

    >>> You must understand that God BEGAN everything in Gene 1:1, as
    >>> you assert.
    >>  Wouldn't you all say that TIME began in Gen. 1:1?

I believe that time is a consequence of and a necessary part of the
physical universe -- the WORLD, to use Biblical language.  I believe
that time, like gravity, matter, and energy, are fundamental to the
existence of a physical universe, and that the universe cannot exist
without time, nor can time exist without the universe.

In the beginning, the world (universe) was without form (had no shape
at all), and was void (had zero volume).  When God said "let there be
light", the modern physisist would have translated it as "then god
said 'Bang!'".  The big bang theory is in good accord with the Genesis
account of the creation of the physical universe.

Steven Hawkins, in his book "A Brief History of Time", invokes a
mathematical transformation of coordinates to hide this origin point
-- this big bang -- from view in the fog of Hiesenbergian uncertainty,
but it may still be transformed back into view again.  His (Hawkins')
purpose was to eliminate the moment of creation in an effort to
eliminate any need for a creator.  

His mathematical chicanery cannot fool the mathematically educated man
of God.  He can hide God from himself only because it was his purpose
to do so.  I make God apparent because it is my purpose to do so.
Prasie His holy name!

    >> 
    >> God has no beginning or ending, and so Genesis is only the
    >> beginning of TIME as we know it.

    Deckard> Acutally, I think time began on Day 4 of creation, in
    Deckard> Gen. 1:14,

I contend for Day 1, when he said "let there be light", as explained
above.

    Deckard>   "And God said, let there be lights in the firmament of
    Deckard> the heaven to divide the day from the night: and let them
    Deckard> be for...seasons, and days and years:"

    Deckard> Prior to that, time may have been 'unmeasured'.

    Deckard> (This may explain a lot of geological questions)

There was an article in Scientific American in the early 80s that
pointed out that attempts to determine the age of the universe err in
not considering the so called "horizon effect" during the very early
moments of the formation of the universe.  By Einstein's principle of
no action at a distance, two parts of the universe must be in
communication with each other in order to be in the same universe.  If
the universe at its formation was expanding at nearly the speed of
light, then the opposite sides of the universe still had to be within
lightspeed of each other in order to not seperate into seperate
universes.  I forget the details, but the net result was that the
universe could be *MUCH* less old that we have been told by
scientists.  It ould have an age that is in agreement with the
scriptures.  This is so that the edges of the universe today could
have been in constant communication with each other by the first
messenger -- light -- throughout the existence of the universe since
its formation in the big bang.

    Deckard> When will time end?  I think after the White Throne
    Deckard> judgement.

This is in accord with several scriptures, for when this world -- this
physical universe -- is rolled up like a scroll, tim shall be no more.

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