Marriage.

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I must still disagee, Bro. Litteral.

> Adultery is very specifically the act of sex by a husband
> or wife with someone that is not their spouse.  Fornication
> (pornia? in the Greek) is a much broader term and means not
> only adultery, "normal" sex by a married person with
> someone other than their spouse but ALSO covers a multitude
> of other sexual sins (homosexuality, beastiality...) and in
> it's truest meaning is ANY illicit or immoral sexual act. 
> The Scripture in Duet. is in reference to a woman that
> "lies" about her virginity.  You didn't die for having sex
> while not married but if the husband found that he had
> gotten "spoiled" goods "unknowingly," he could get his
> money back.  Notice that the woman is not to be put to
> death.

Read Deut. 22:21

>  If the woman has been "spoiled" and the husband is
> aware of this when he "buys" her, he cannot use this to
> annul the marriage and get his money back.  I cover
> fornication and adultery below.
> 
> Bro. Glen:
> You can't plug adultery into Matthew 5:32.  It says
> fornication.
> 
> Me:
> You can plug in not only adultery but beastiality, sex with
> inanimate 
> objects; anything else that would fall under the heading of
> "deviate" sexual behavior.  Fornication covers more
> activities than adultery and not fewer.

Sure, adultery is a form of fornication, but not in a biblical 
context because adultery is listed separately, as in Galatians 5:19.

> Bro. Glen:
> > The believer is not under bondage to stay married to the 
> unbeliever.  The scripture gives that person no right to
> marry again,  though.
> 
> Me:
> When you are free of the spouse you are FREE.  Let me make
> a couple of points from the Old Testament.  If someone
> committed 
> adultery, they held a rock concert in their honor and the
> "offended" person was FREE. 

Because the offender was dead.  This isn't the case now days.

> If the person had sex with an
> animal they had a rock concert for the person and the
> spouse was FREED.  

Again, because the offender was dead.

>You see, Jesus is speaking of fulfilling
> the Law in that when someone commits fornication, as
> described above, the New Testament Christian is FREED since
> these crimes are still tentamount to the death of the one
> who commits these sins.

But the offender is not dead.  Now, let's say the offender is "dead" 
spiritually and the offender remarries.  What happens if the offender 
repents and is again "alive" spiritually?

> The believer that is married to
> the unbeliever is coupled with a "dead" person but Paul
> said we are called to peace and that the new converts
> spouse is "sanctified" or "set aside" for the sake of the
> believer.  This does NOT mean that this unbeliever is saved
> however since Paul goes on to say that God may use the
> witness of the believer to SAVE the unbeliever.
> 
> The major difference is FORGIVENESS.  If someone cheats on
> their spouse or in the broader sense, fornicates, and then
> truly repents they must be forgiven: it NEVER happened.  As
> God forgives our sins we MUST forgive those that repent,
> even of those offenses that require "death."

Again, what if the offender truly repents *after* the offended 
remarries?

> It is Jesus who has said that if anyone divorced anyone
> "save" or 
> EXCEPT for the cause of fornication (ANY sexual immorality)
> they were still married in God's eyes.  Paul broadened this
> to include the unbelieveing spouses of new converts who
> choose not to stay with their mates since God doesn't
> sanctify the "bonding" of the living to the dead.  Paul
> says however, that since we are called to peace that if the
> unbeliever will stay, for the spouse to try all the harder
> to let their LIFE witness to the "corpse."  Paul also says
> that if a couple cannot live together that they are still
> married and if either is to have a mate it is to be their
> OWN.
>

Like I said in another post, I truly hope you're right about this.  
If you're wrong there's going to be a lot of people in trouble with 
God, and I don't want that to happen!  I truly don't believe that 
biblical "fornication" covers adultery, though.  If it did, Galatians 
5:9 wouldn't have listed it as separate from fornication.

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