Unity & Diversity - Howard Goss

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From: 	Timothy Litteral[SMTP:brotim@gte.net]
Sent: 	Wednesday, March 05, 1997 4:51 AM
To: 	higher-fire@prairienet.org
Subject: 	Re: Unity & Diversity - Howard Goss

Bro. Tim B4:
> If I say I give you a dollar
> "for" the remission of John's debt, it is the dollar that
> pays the debt.

Me: 
> MMM. I understand your purpose but the dollar is not a
good illustration here
It's still
needed(water baptism).
> But the water doesn't pay the debt as the dollar does in
your illustration.

Bro Tim's reply:
The dollar is the "token" that indeed "pays the debt."  The
reason that this is accepted as "legal tender" is the FAITH
that everyone places in the government that issues the
TOKEN.  (This just lit in someones heart).  The value of
the paper is established by what it represents.  The dollar
represented gold at one time.  Our token is baptism and
this "washing by water" is what pays "our" debt since God
has established this as "legal tender" that represents the
thing of value, the ONLY thing that God values: The
sacrifice of Jesus Christ.  

Me:
Thank You for your clarification of your illustration. I think that's where the problem was for me. Your first statement, IMHO left
the possibilites for the wrong idea to be perceived and your new statement is makes your position on this more understandable.


More of Bro Tim's reply:
There are more but these will do.  We are saved by BAPTISM.
 We remain saved by confession.  Baptism in the name of
Jesus Christ is the only "legal tender" for anyones sins. 
Confession is the washing of the feet.


Me:
Again a bit vague for me. Though I believe I understand where you're coming from, I feel we should always qualify our statements
with as much explanation of a more full scope of the topic as we can. If someone not keen or familiar with the subject of
foot washing and confession read the above statement, they could possibly believe that all they need to do to continue in the
salvation of the Lord would be to participate in the local churches foot washing services or ceremonies. I think this is where my
original problem with your "dollar" statement also did lye. Though it's good to be brief, I also think qualifying our statements as
much as possible in a more full scope of the subject we present is important to practice at all times.


 
God Bless in Jesus' Name,
Bro. Daniel Westbrook


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