Marriage (Long post)

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Sis. Doris" 
 it would fit better under the topic "sin and the law" or
something
like that. I think it is Paul who tells us that the law is
no longer written on stone, but written in our hearts....

Me:
It is written in the New Testament also.

Sis. D
as I followed the discussion I for some reason got the
feeling that there was a lot of bible-thumping involved

Me:
Not really if I understand the term.  We're trying to
understand a VERY touchy subject.  If there are those out
there who are adulterers in God's eyes, and there are, they
HAVE to know.  I am not so concerned about the un-remarried
as God can keep you in any estate, He keeps me, but for
those who are "married" contrary to the Words of Jesus this
means their souls.

Sis. D:
(I hope noone is offended by this) 

Me:
Not I.

Sis. D:
leaving totally out the human aspect of this subject.
Folks, we are talking about living souls here. 

Me:
We are aware of this, I am divorced and BELIEVE me, I know
about the pain of divorce.  I KNOW what is God's will for
me and knowing is the first step to healing.  Once you are
certain you can have peace.  It really is easier to face
ANYTHING when you know God is behind you.

Sis. D.
Souls that try to do their best to live for God the best
they can. 

Me:
We are trying to help, really.  Some who recieve this word
will have an ENORMOUSLY DIFFICULT descision to make.  This
doesn't escape me.  I pray for them.  Giving them the Word
to save their souls is the greatest duty of Love.  God has
given us the Bible to do this as well as the Spirit.  We
don't all listen to the Spirit when mates are concerned.

Sis. D.
Each circumstance of divorce is different...

Me:
But there are only two reasons for divorce with the option
of remarriage.  If yours (or mine) doesn't fall into these
two catagories you CANNOT remarry.  

Sis. D
I don't really think we can gerneralize, but have to look
at each case individually. 

Me:
And see if it fits into either of these two catagories.  If
not there is NO/NONE way to remarry without being an
adulterer.

Sis. D.
If we gerneralize, wag our fingers and say "If you do this,
the bible says that ....then you commit a sin and you'll be
going to hell" are we then any different then the
Pharisees, who say "Tell you desciples not to eat corn on
the Sabbath, because it is against the law"

Me:
BIG difference.  What if the Pharisees had said "It is
written...."
Would have been a WHOLE OTHER ball game.

Sis. D:
I have very much been impressed lately by the recognition
how easy it is for us, that are obedient to the Word of
God, to become just like the Pharisees and Hypocrites ...
instead of letting love rule and teaching with love and in
love what is right and what is wrong. 

Me:
The Pharisees taught their OWN laws.  If you hold a thing
up to the Word of God and see it for what the Word says it
is you are safe.

Sis. D:
 Each case and each person needs to be dealt with seperatly
and is dealt with seperatly by the Lord....regardless of
the sin he/she commited. 

Me:
This is 100% true but what about the sins that one
continues to commit, day after day after day?  If you are
divorced and are remarried unless you fall under the two
conditions of exclusions above you "commiteth" adultery
every time you are "with" your spouse.  How can God forgive
you for a sin you continue to commit?  See why it is so
important to get this out!  By the best interpretation it
is a rare thing for a person to be divorced and remarried
and remain saved.  By the worst it is impossible.  There is
no shome in divorce but there could and is DEATH in many
marriages in the Church these days.

The other stuff can be summed up in this: If we confess our
sins Jesus interceeds for us if we do not confess He
doesn't.  If you commit adultery everytime you are with
your spouse, how can you be forgiven.  There are only two
exclusions to this and they either apply to you (me) or
they do not.    

Sis. D:
Being divorced is hard, being divorced in the church is
even harder and we need the help of our brothers and
sisters that aren't divorced. 

Me:
This very true.  There is little support for divorcees. 
Being like this takes extra Grace, God has it but we need
it.  Adultery is a sin and unrepented will send you to
Hell.  Divorce under any circumstance 
is no sin.  It hurts and is very inconvenient but no sin. 
Remarriage in all but these two circumstances of divorce
makes you a continual adulterer.  Those who must leave
their second spouses, especially those with children need
our prayers, sympathy and the very Grace of our God to
"survive."

Timothy (not everything the Pharisees said was wrong)
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