Tribulation (LONG POST)

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Timothy Litteral wrote:
> 
> Rev. Blume:
> > That is true.  But you mentioned yourself that the
> brethren
> > of those slain were to be killed AFTER the fifth seal.
> Now
> > are the circumstances up to and including the the fifth
> seal
> > tribulation or not?  This proves the church is here
> during the
> > tribulation.  NOT WRATH, but tribulation.
> 
> Me:
> As I said to begin with and all along, this, right here
> today is the beginning of the tribulation.  


Tribulation does not BEGIN at the sixth seal but rather ENDS there.

Notice that the first four seals are listed By Jesus in Matthew 24.



FIRST SEAL
WHITE HORSE

Rev 6:2  And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on 
him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth 
conquering, and to conquer.

Mat 24:4  And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no 
man deceive you.
Mat 24:5  For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and 
shall deceive many.



SECOND SEAL
RED HORSE

Rev 6:4  And there went out another horse that was red: and power 
was given to him that sat thereon to take peace from the earth, 
and that they should kill one another: and there was given unto 
him a great sword.

Mat 24:6  And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that 
ye be not troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the 
end is not yet.
Mat 24:7  For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom 
against kingdom:



THIRD SEAL
BLACK HORSE

Rev 6:5  And when he had opened the third seal, I heard the third 
beast say, Come and see. And I beheld, and lo a black horse; and he 
that sat on him had a pair of balances in his hand.
Rev 6:6  And I heard a voice in the midst of the four beasts say, A 
measure of wheat for a penny, and three measures of barley for a 
penny; and see thou hurt not the oil and the wine.

Matt 24:7b ...and there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, 
in divers places.



FOURTH SEAL
PALE HORSE

Rev 6:7  And when he had opened the fourth seal, I heard the 
voice of the fourth beast say, Come and see.
Rev 6:8  And I looked, and behold a pale horse: and his name 
that sat on him was Death, and Hell followed with him. And 
power was given unto them over the fourth part of the earth, 
to kill with sword, and with hunger, and with death, and with 
the beasts of the earth.

Mat 24:9  Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and 
shall kill you: and ye shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.



FIFTH SEAL - 
MARTYRS UNDER ALTAR

Rev 6:9  And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under 
the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, 
and for the testimony which they held:

Mat 24:10  And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one 
another, and shall hate one another.


**THEN** we read of GREAT TRIBULATION such as never was yet.  All
previous was tribulation, but AT THIS POINT tribulation INCREASES.

Mat 24:21  For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not 
since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.


And then is the SIXTH SEAL.

Rev 6:12  And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, lo, 
there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as sackcloth 
of hair, and the moon became as blood;
Rev 6:13  And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as a 
fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a mighty wind.
Rev 6:14  And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled 
together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.

Mat 24:29  Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall 
the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and 
the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens 
shall be shaken:

Jesus even mentions the FIG TREE (WHICH IS NOT ISRAEL).

Mat 24:31  And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a 
trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four 
winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Mat 24:32  Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is 
yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
Mat 24:33  So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know 
that it is near, even at the doors.

THE FIG TREE IS NOT ISRAEL - but simply the signs of the times.  When
we see THESE THINGS come to pass the fig tree is putting forth leaves.
Waht things?  Israel becoming a nation?  No.  The things listed from
Matt 24:4-31.  Israel is not even mentioned there!!

Where did this false idea of Israel being the fig tree putting forth 
leaves come from?  Yea, I know Israel is called a FIG TREE in the Old 
Testament, but it is also called a grape vine as well as other appellations.
But in Matthew 24 the fig tree is simply the world and the putting forth of
leaves is the false Christs coming and the wars and famines, and death and
black sun and bleeding moon.  Israel is mentioned NOWHERE in this chapter.

Notice that the tribulation is OVER BEFORE verse 29, since verse
29 states that "AFTER THE TRIBULATION OF THOSE DAYS."  After what
tribulation?  Great Tribulation such as never was.

The SIXTH SEAL occurs AFTER tribulation.  This is tru because,
as the first five seals are clearly seen in consecutive order in 
Matthew 24, the 6th seal is mentioned by Jesus when He speaks
about the sun, moon and stars.  And that event occurs AFTER
the tribulation.

Rev 6:12  And I beheld when he had opened the sixth seal, and, 
lo, there was a great earthquake; and the sun became black as 
sackcloth of hair, and the moon became as blood;
Rev 6:13  And the stars of heaven fell unto the earth, even as 
a fig tree casteth her untimely figs, when she is shaken of a 
mighty wind.
Rev 6:14  And the heaven departed as a scroll when it is rolled 
together; and every mountain and island were moved out of their places.
Rev 6:15  And the kings of the earth, and the great men, and 
the rich men, and the chief captains, and the mighty men, and 
every bondman, and every free man, hid themselves in the dens 
and in the rocks of the mountains;
Rev 6:16  And said to the mountains and rocks, Fall on us, and 
hide us from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from 
the wrath of the Lamb:
Rev 6:17  For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be 
able to stand?

WRATH begins at this point. - between the sixth and seventh seal.

But according to Matthew 24, again, the RAPTURE occurs at this
point AFTER TRIBULATION AND AT INCEPTION OF WRATH.

Mat 24:29  Immediately AFTER THE TRIBULATION of those days shall 
the sun be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and 
the stars shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens 
shall be shaken:
Mat 24:30  And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in 
heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they 
shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power 
and great glory.
Mat 24:31  And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a 
trumpet, [at he last trump shall the rapture occur] and they 
shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one 
end of heaven to the other.[RAPTURE].


-- 
In Christ,
Mike Blume
mfblume@ns.sympatico.ca
http://www3.ns.sympatico.ca/mfblume/mblume.htm