Seven Kings Of Rev.

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Diogenes wrote:

> > First, we find five are (past tense of John's writing) on is (present
> > tense of John's writing) and the other is not yet come(future tense of
> > John's writing).  Giving some study to the Ceasarean Succession you will
> > find that the "one that is" refers to Nero, called by his comtemporaries
> > as the BEAST!  Interesting is it not!

Pastor Dan Wellman wrote:

> > *************************************************************************
> > 1. Abaddon or Apollyon - (Isa 14:12) (LUK. 10:18) "fallen" angel, (Jer 51:25)
> > - Mountain (Rev9:11) King of Bottomless Pit
> >
> > 2. Babylon - head of gold ------- (Dan 2:38)"fallen"
> >
> > 3. Medes - breast and arms of silver (Dan 8:20) "fallen"
> >
> > 4. Persia - breast and arms of silver (Dan 8:20) "fallen"
> >
> > 5. Greece - belly & thighs of brass ---- (Dan 8:21) "fallen"
> >
> > 6. Rome - legs of iron----------------------- "one is"
> >

Since Daniel's interpretation of Ol' Neb's dream was the panaromic view
of future
Kingdoms rising and falling historically acurate and succesive.  I find
that
Babylon fell in 538 BC to the Mede/Persia empire, who fell in 331 BC to
Greece (Alexander the Great), who fell in 63 BC to Rome which fell in
476 AD. How can Rome be the one that "is" if it has also fallen in
succession just as the interpretation of the dream said?  

May I further point out that Dan 2:44-45 tells us

And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom,
which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to
other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these
kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.
Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain
without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the
clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the
king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and
the interpretation thereof sure.

Daniel says *in the days of these kings* Babylon, Mede/Persia, Greece,
Rome.  All have fallen and only the Kingdom of Jesus Christ stands. 
Isaiah 9:6-8 The zeal of the Lord has been performed!

Therefore, I disagree that Rev. 17 is speaking of Babylon, Mede/Persia,
or Greece. 

The clear references to the seven heads and seven hills point to none
other than Rome, and not these that you list.  
 
> > 7. Pope - one not yet come; short space - false prophet that give (Mark 666)


The papal succession has been in place for more than 1600 years.  How
can that be considered short?


>  Tiara is a crown the Pope continue the Roman impure. The spiritual Trinity
> doctrine of the whore infiltrated all religions. The sign of the cross is the
> physical mark of the beast displayed with the right hand.

The trinity (a theology developed in the third and fourth century) is
not under consideration in John's writing (first century).  There is
just no Biblical evidence to validate your theory that John had the
trinity in view (even if you were to hold to the 95 theory, we still
have a first century letter writen to the first century churches with a
first century history and circumstance).  Albeit, I believe there were
the false doctrines of the gnostics prevalent.  As for the whore, Israel
would be a more logical choice, since Israel was married to Jehovah
(Hosea),  but upon His arrival they were in bed with Rome.  


When I consider the book of Revelation.  I must remember that it is
historical as well as spiritual.  To choose one over the other or to
ignore one is favor of the other is to fail Paul's admonition of rightly
dividing the Word of Truth!

> 
> > 8. Beast> Gathers Gog and Magog (Rev 17:11) And the beast that Satan was, and
> > is not, even he is the eighth, and is of the seven, and goeth into perdition.
> Read about the mark of the beast revealed it is the Trinity doctrine.
> http://www.zoomnet.net/~dwellman
> >
I will go to this site.  Thank you

I have an excellent (and short) post by Gentry on the Beast and the Mark
of the beast.  I'll post it next time.

> The only difference between a fool and a wise person is:
> A wise person learns from his mistakes by accepting God's
> wisdom. A fool never does! (Proverbs 3:5) Trust in the LORD
> with all thine heart, and lean not unto thine own understanding
> http://www.zoomnet.net/~dwellman/


I like your signature file.  Trusting in God without leaning to you own
understanding is a tall order, but not impossible!  I can say been there
done that!