We Who? Re: An Apostolic Declaration for the Third Millenium 1

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Greetings Brother Reed!

As always, it is a pleasure hearing from you.  I certainly hope that
your youth ministry in the snow was successful.  Please let me know
about your outing!  Now, down to business, 

>   We who?  Why does Steve Starcher think he is the voice of the
> Apostolics?

I do not claim to be the voice of all Apostolics.  I readily admit that
there are conservative and liberal Apostolics who will not agree with
this affirmation of faith.  If I recall correctly, you, Sis Lynne, and
Bro Clifton are the ones who claim to speak for all Apostolics.  In
fact, you three seem to believe that anyone who does not agree with your
version of the Apostolic faith is not really an Apostolic at all!
 
> Why does Steve Starcher proclaim himself to be "moderate" placing all
> others
> left or right? 

I think you need to reread my posts on Moderate Apostolics Brother
Reed.  If you have a different definition for what constitutes a
Moderate Apostolic I am willing to read it and evaluate it.


 Why, when making an Apostolic Declaration of faith for
> the
> third millennium does Steve Starcher refer to Howard Goss as an
> authority and
> never once mention the Apostles Peter or Paul? 

Brother Reed, this was an affirmation of our Apostolic heritage, the
legacy of faith bequeathed to us by our forefathers.  Howard Goss was
one of the "movers and shakers" of the early Apostolic movement and the
first General Superintendent of the United Pentecostal Church.  His
faith as an Apostolic should be understood and esteemed.  

I fully intend to address the Apostolic norm for the Apostolic faith in
this Declaration.  Did you notice the little number 1 at the end of the
title?  More will be forthcoming which will site a whole lot of
Scriptures.

Did you miss my posts on the Apostolic norm for the Church?  I
anticipated some hallelujahs from you and Brother Clifton but somehow
they weren't forthcoming.  

 Why, when making an
> Apostolic
> Declaration, does Steve Starcher refer to only **one** scripture in
> the Bible
> (Acts 2:38) and then only to say, "allow Apostolics to interpret
> the New Birth, Acts 2:38, in different ways," disemboweling Apostle
> Peter's
> statement on Pentecost.  

This was an affirmation about the historical reality of how Apostolics
interpret Acts 2:38.  You know that in my expositions of scripture I
have no difficulty with Acts 2:38 as the New Birth.  At the same time I
have to acknowledge that there are a whole lot of Apostolics who believe
otherwise!  

Once again Brother Reed, this was an affirmation of our heritage not an
exposition of Scripture.  This exposition will be forthcoming!


Why does Steve Starcher "declare" that "we"
> Apostolics believe those that have not followed Christ into his death,
> burial,
> and resurrection, through repentance, baptism in the name of Jesus
> Christ in
> water, and the infilling of the Holy Ghost, with the evidence of
> speaking in
> other tongues, are Christians? 

Brother Reed, it is a historical fact that the first Apostolics
considered themselves Christians before they received the Apostolic
revelations.  It is also a fact that a whole lot of believe that they
are uniquely Christian and not the only Christians.

Why doesn't Steve Starcher speak for
> himself ?


Brother Reed, I haven't noticed any disclaimers in any of your posts
saying that what you write is only your opinion and does not reflect the
faith of other Apostolics.  To be intellectually consistent with your
demands upon me you would have to place this disclaimer upon every one
of your posts!  I look forward to seeing it!

I know that my presentation of the Apostolic faith is not representative
of all Apostolics.  I have made this perfectly clear in my posts on
higher-fire. But a whole lot of Apostolics do agree with me.  They are
moderates and have every right to be heard.

I am really saddened that you do not wish to affirm your Apostolic
heritage Brother Reed.  As for me, I enjoy reading our Apostolic
forefathers and believe that they were gifted with the wisdom of God and
great spiritual insights.  Their faith given by the Holy Spirit lives on
in the Apostolic movement whether you desire to acknowledge it or not.

Here is an invitation Brother Reed.  Please write an article for The
Apostolic Pentecostal Journal containing your many criticisms of
"Moderate Apostolics" and if it follows the Journal's guidelines it will
be published. But please expect to have your article soundly but fairly
criticized by your Moderate Apostolic Brothers! 

I really appreciate you and your ministry Brother Reed.  I look forward
to hearing the details of your snow trip.  I am going to take about 25
kids camping in Sequoia National Forest in May.  Its going to be a whole
lot of fun!

God Bless!


Steve