We Who? - time to end?

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>From the PC of Bro Berger:
>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Bill Clifton [mailto:woodrow_@nettaxi.com]
>> Sent: None
>>
>> If a serious issue is never settled it will not go away...why are we
>> back to this, cause it back.
>
>And it was ugly before. It does not look any better this time.


I hope not...I wish I could get one of the two way sincere dialogues
going...but that has not been offered in the past 9 months...no reason
to feel that it will come in the future :o(

>> My question is simple....I know were the moderators stand, but where
>> does the subscribers of the list stand......
>
>I do not feel you know how I stand. I find it hard enough to stay
neutral,
>as I feel I must do and moderate. I would have discarded them both!
That is
>my stance.


again I appologize for the over stepping (the moderators I fear assume I
feel they have sided with the "other side" and I was not acqusing, I was
hoping for others input for help in my own descisions in this matter.

>>
>> Am I/we right in questioning or wrong....please let me know at the
>> address below NOT ON THE LIST!
>>
>If you can offer some substantial reasons anyone is wrong, yes you are
>correct. Otherwise, you are just slamming anyone. The anyone in this
>instance showed full Christian character and never attacked back for
many
>months, until he finally had enough. It nearly brings out a message of
>bitterness.


My long scripture filled posts on "Modern Thinking on Acceptance – I
Shall Not Bow" and "Modern Thinking in the Life of a Christian" was
never responded to. They laid out a great deal of issues, scripturally,
and I had hoped they would start and new direction of discussion...but
the only thing that came out was

"I have always enjoyed dialoguing with you, however, it seems our
dialogues are really going no where.  It is time for our dialogues to
end Brother Clifton.  "

So instead of a Bible based discussion, there was a shunning.

>I guess not one of Bro Starcher's critics has yet to show how that- a
person
>who has experienced what we define as salvation, yet attends another
church
>is lost. I read to the contrary that in the last days, all flesh will
>receive this like gifts. I have seen many demoninal members who were
Holy
>Ghost filled, who were yet hungry to know more of what God wanted for
them.


And I never will said that " a person who has experienced what we define
as salvation, yet attends another church is lost". They are saved in a
biblical manner and organizations are not important. However, what about
calling a person who has ***NOT*** experienced what we define as
salvation, yet attends another church lost. That is the issue...Bro
Reed, Sis Yohnk or myself have never stated that a person that has been
born again in the manner we call the plan of salvation (repentance,
baptism and infilling of the Holy Ghost) that attends a church other
than ours is lost. What we have stated is that if you have not had such
a time of obedience to the Word and the rebirth experience then we can
not say they are saved...they will be judged by their works then. BTW -
they also have never had their sin remitted without baptism in the Name
of the Lord.

Reread my post...I (and others) asked for clarification of what makes
one a Chirstian!

>I choose to send to the list. Sorry.


I am glad you did...I have nothing to hide, no hidden agendas no
personal motives. All I desire is that the truth have its day. That we
examine all (even my posts :o)  ) with the standard of the Bible. That
every word be examined and studied to prove one right. This is not a
battle to be won...this is a test to be overcame. And if the Lord's way
is followed...then when all is done it will bring Glory to the Lord!

Lord Bless;
Bill


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