Who we? time to end

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I penned this on the weekend, and wanted to have the other moderators read
if first. I wanted to know if they saw a bad post. They did not, so I now am
going to send it. I am in agreement with Bro Moore and his rules. I want ALL
to  have equal opportunity here to post. Generalities, and prejudices do not
help us. We are here to examine the Apostolic Doctrine and how we may
present the Gospel to a dying world.

<soapbox mode off>

On Tue, 23 Mar 1999 16:15:51 -0700 "Bill Clifton" <woodrow_@nettaxi.com>
writes:
Bro Starcher quote-

>"I have always enjoyed dialoguing with you, however, it seems our
>dialogues are really going no where.  It is time for our dialogues >to end
Brother Clifton.  "

Bro Clifton

>So instead of a Bible based discussion, there was a shunning.

Me B4

>
>>I guess not one of Bro Starcher's critics has yet to show how >>that- a
person who has experienced what we define as salvation, >>yet attends
another church is lost. I read to the contrary that in >>the last days, all
flesh will receive this like gifts. I have seen >>many demoninal members who
were Holy Ghost filled, who were yet >>hungry to know more of what God
wanted for them.

Bro Clifton replies to me-

>And I never will said that " a person who has experienced what we
>define as salvation, yet attends another church is lost". They are >saved
in a biblical manner and organizations are not important. >However, what
about calling a person who has ***NOT*** experienced >what we define as
salvation, yet attends another church lost. That >is the issue...Bro  Reed,
Sis Yohnk or myself have never stated >that a person that has been born
again in the manner we call the >plan of salvation (repentance, baptism and
infilling of the Holy >Ghost) that attends a church other than ours is lost.
What we have >stated is that if you have not had such
>a time of obedience to the Word and the rebirth experience then we >can not
say they are saved...they will be judged by their works >then. BTW - they
also have never had their sin remitted without >baptism in the Name of the
Lord.
>
>Reread my post...I (and others) asked for clarification of what >makes one
a Christian!
>

Ahem! (yes a large throat clearing for attention)
I guess what is starting to even get under the moderators craws, and is
irritating to this moderator is the above analysis.

You seem to state-

He does not believe the way I do, I believe in Biblical Salvation as shown
by Repentance, water baptism by immersion- with the name of the Lord Jesus
Christ, and the infilling of the Holy Ghost evidenced by speaking in other
tongues as the Spirit gives utterance.

You also seem to state that if one is not attending an Apostolic church,
then this cannot happen. I have now pointed out that there are some fully
Biblically saved in the above definition.

This list is about ideas. We all have ideas. We all have bad ideas and
thoughts also. I want to hear from you, and Bro Reed, and even Sis Yohnk.
Why are the three of you singled out? Because you seem to be the most vocal,
yet seem to not get it. I will herein begin to show you where differ in the
discussion and are so fully sidestepped over the way you
_think_others_think, that you almost do not think yourself.

I see a stalemate occurred in the last round. No one won, yet we all lost,
for discussion stopped. Let's get off the attempt to show Bro Starcher as a
liberal, and glean what we can. Let's go on and re-examine the threads Bro
Clifton presented earlier (go on and repost them Brother). Let's see some
others post to the list.

Let's move forward, we have been down these roads before. They were bumpy
and unpleasant