Judgments

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> CF> The question is not "What will those people's judgment be?", but,
> CF> "How will God judge them."
>
> CF> I suppose there is even a point to be made to the response that
> CF> "we don't know."  The point is that if we don't know the criteria
> CF> by which God judges men, we can never be sure if the denominal
> CF> person we are seeking to convert is truly lost.  I think it also
> CF> follows that we can never be sure of our own salvation.  But
> CF> perhaps that is going too far.
>
Just to set the record straight.  The first two lines are my post and the
rest is not.  Please do not credit me or should I say discredit me with the
we don't know crowd!  I believe that all men will be judged by the man Jesus
Christ!

To establish one judgement for Racial Israel and another for Gentiles is
quite a puzzle.  Separating Israel using the criteria of *natural birth* (I
thought that Nicodemus had to be born again) and affording them special
favor with God based *solely* upon lineage, is to negate the New Testament
in it's entirety.  BTW there is not one Jew today that can retrace his
progenitry back to Abraham without finding it tainted with Gentile
influence!  I challenge anyone to find a natural born pure blooded Israelite! 

Matthew 3:9 And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to our
father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up
children unto Abraham.

Acts 15:8-9  And God, which knoweth the hearts, bare them witness, giving
them the Holy Ghost, even as he did unto us; And put *no difference* between
us and them, purifying their hearts by faith.

Romans 10:12  For there is *no difference* between the Jew and the Greek:
for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

Rom 3:22  Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ
unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is *no difference*: 

Eph 2:11-16  Wherefore remember, that ye being in time past Gentiles in the
flesh, who are called Uncircumcision by that which is called the
Circumcision in the flesh made by hands; 	That at that time ye were without
Christ, being aliens from the commonwealth of Israel, and strangers from the
covenants of promise, having no hope, and without God in the world: But now
in Christ Jesus ye who sometimes were far off are made nigh by the blood of
Christ.  For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down
the middle wall of partition between us;  Having abolished in his flesh the
enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in
himself of twain one new man, so making peace;  And that he might reconcile
both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:

Gal 3:22-29  But the scripture hath concluded *all* under sin, that the
promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.  But
before faith came, *we* (Jew and Gentile) were kept under the law, shut up
unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed. Wherefore the law was
our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by
faith.	But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.
For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.  For as many of
you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.  There is *neither
Jew nor Greek*, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor
female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.  And *if* ye be Christ's, then
are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

Either there is or there is not special favor paid to racial Israel?  If
special favor is afforded Israel based upon progenitry then these scriptures
listed above have no bearing whatsoever. 

If I am understanding these scriptures correctly then Brother Copes is way
way way out of balance trying to serparate different judgments for the
Gentiles and another judgement for Israel.

Snip    Ezekiel 20:34-38  Malachi 3:2,5

Snip     One's actions will reveal clearly the spiritual condition of the
        heart in this judgment, which is to divide saved from unsaved. The
        unsaved will be cut of and the saved living Israel will be taken into
        the millennium which He will institute to fulfill their covenants.

Are you saying the Unsaved Racial Israel will be cut off from the saved
living Racial Israel?  If so what determines thier (Racial Israel's)
salvation?  Excuse my ignorance I don't follow the logic here! Are you
saying that the Israelites that have been born and died between the Birth of
Christ and today perished, but those living in the day just prior to the
inauguration of the millennium will be saved, or are you saying that Racial
Israel will be saved no matter what.  *All* meaning the Racial Israel
without consideration given to the era no matter what aeon, *ALL ISRAEL*
will be saved?  

Please be specific because I can't follow your rhetoric it is too disjointed
for me.

Snip    Joel 3:1

Snip    It appears, then that these Gentiles are judged on the basis of their
        works to determine whether they are saved or lost as they have re-
        ceived or rejected the preaching of the gospel.

Judged on the basis of their works to determine whether the are saved?  What?

You have listed the scriptures but they do not validate your point that one
judgement is for racial Israel and another is for Gentiles.  When
considering the New Testament's consistant declaration that there is ****NO
DIFFERENCE**** then I take it to mean that ther is no difference, yet you
are consistant in making a difference.  It's an unworkable puzzle to me!



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