A study of stars

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Brother Copes,

I have enjoyed your posts.=20

First of all I apologize for not posting exactly what I thought.  I had an
ulterior motive.  I knew you would go off on the size of a star.  I also
knew you are a literalist and so the post read as follows:
  =20
> WC> Nor the stars (meteors?, asteroids?) falling to the earth. This
> WC> becomes especially telling when all three events were to occur as
> WC> a sign.
>
> CF> I think we should let the Bible interpret the Bible here.  Does
> CF> Jesus mean *star* as in meteor?  Strongs tells me the word star
> CF> means a star, not comet nor meteor.
>
>     Then you have a very serious problem. In relation to other stars
>the sun is rather small. Yet the sun has a diameter of 865,000 miles.
>The diameter of the earth is 8000 miles. Its temperature is around
>11,000 degrees F. It is considered as a yellow dwarf. There are other
>dwarf stars which are as small as 1100 miles in diameter. Their tem-
>perature range from 35000 to 60000 degrees F. One of the larger ones
>is 2.4 billion miles in diameter. The density of the small dwarfs is
>several million tons per cubic inch.
>
>     I do not for instant believe that a star will ever fall to the
>earth. At best the earth may fall into a star. The results will be the
>same whether is 2.4 billion miles in diameter or 1100 miles. The earth
>would cease to exist in a small fraction of a second. It would be
>turned into individual atoms and they would be stripped of electrons.
>
>     If we are to understand what is meant by "stars falling" we had
>better to it in terms of the context of the times. An object 10 miles
>across striking the earth would destroy all life on an entire conti-
>nent (if it fell on land) or create mile high (or higher) tidal waves
>if it fell into the ocean. It would penetrate the earth to such a
>depth that core magma would be spewed into the atmosphere. Civiliza-
>tion as we know it would cease to exist.
>
> CF> You believe it means meteor, but you have no Biblical text, nor
> CF> word study that will support you.
>
>     You will have to give some indication of supernatural interven-
>tion that a true star can fall to the earth and the earth not cease to
>exist.=7F
>
> CF> This is a conjecture pure and simple.
>
>     No, it is not conjecture. It is rather knowledge and some compre-
>hension of what a star truly is. Stars do not have solid matter. They
>are composed of gas--primarily hydrogen or helium. The sun (a yellow
>dwarf) is composed of hydrogen with traces of other elements. It is a
>true hydrogen bomb. The hydrogen combines (burns) and forms helium.
>The energy that is released we detect as light and heat. The core
>temperature is in the millions of degrees.
>
> CF> I am not against your looking for the right Biblical answer, my
> CF> point is simply that there is no *Bible* for your conclusion.
>
>     Perhaps. But you will have a very difficult time convincing me
>that a star can fall to the earth and the earth not be instantly
>vaporized.
>
> CF> I think the scriptures will give us enough examples to understand
> CF> the use of star in this verse.
>
>When the earth falls into a star and emerges intact will life still on
>the planet then the pages of history will be replete with the account
>of the miracle of God and how He protected the earth against awesome
>temperature and gravity of the star. Every human will know that God
>did it.

You will notice that you argued the magnitude of size that a star has.  I
have used this same passage of scripture to render strength to my point of
view when it stands in contrast to the literalists interpretation. =20

Correct me if I am wrong but the literalist believes the scriptures must be
fulfilled literally.  In contrast with the liberal that does not believe in
the literal events at all.  I believe in the literal fulfillment of the
scriptures concerning events, but I do not hold in the literal
interpretation of prophetic language.  Passages such as 'he is coming with
clouds'  I do not believe the word *clouds* is used as literal clouds but
prophetic language denoting judgement.  See clouds as used in the OT.

The use of the word stars is propetic poetic language also.  When Strongs
renders the word to mean literal star, and you are want to make it mean
asteroid then I object to your unauthorized interjection of thought into the
passage.  Why?  Because you do not have a word study nor a scripture to back
up your statement.

I noticed that you did not repost my list of scriptures showing that the use
of the word star was peotic license.  Prophecy has a language using
metaphors and similies that must be understood by how they are used in other
scriptures.  As you read these other scriptures, you will find the usage of
the word and apply that to the scripture in question.  Let's look at the
word stars again.

Matt 24:29  Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be
darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the *stars* shall fall
from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:

You are want of a literal fulfillment of the sun being literally darkened,
and the moon literally not reflecting the light and the stars literally
falling from heaven.

Strongs referende #792  aster (as-tare');

probably from the base of 4766; a star (as strown over the sky), literally
or figuratively:=20

KJV-- star.

Strongs gives you no room to make this word mean asteroid.  Yet there is
room for the word to be used figuratively.  Figuratively of what?  You have
gone outside of the Bible and chosen asteroids while it is IMHO *imperative*
one stay in the book. =20

Matthew 24:29 is a passage that is mirrored in other places in the Bible.

Isaiah 13:9-13...This language is in reference to the fall of Babylon to the
Medes in 539 BC.  Notice the poetic phrases.

Isa 34:4  And all the host of heaven shall be dissolved, and the heavens
shall be rolled together as a scroll: and all their host shall fall down, as
the leaf falleth off from the vine, and as a falling fig from the fig tree.=
=20

This is in reference to the fall of Edom

Ezekiel 32:7-8

The destuction of Egypt predicted.

All of these passages are somewhat of the same language used by Jesus in
Matthew 24:29.=20

In Genesis 37:9 The paralel is made to Sun, moon, and stars without mention
as to who represents what, but the inference is plain as day.

This brings me to conclude that stars are in reference to places of
leadership and authority.  The powers that govern.  I have the Bible as my
witness.  What is your witness?  Knowledge?  Guesswork?  Logic?  Physics?  I
can only conclude that you will are outside of the Bible when you say that
*stars* mean asteriods. =20
Conjecture, pure and simple.  You have no Bible for your conclusion, no word
study for your conclusion, and since you are a literalist you cannot accept
the word star to mean star.  I am not a literalist as far as this passage=
 goes.









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