Further Revelations Questions

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Pastor Dan:
> This is wrong the two olive trees, or witnesses are
represented by:
> TWO OLIVE TREES. The two witness are the church,
represented by the law and 
> grace, I believe it possible this will be two more
prophets of God soon to be 
> revealed.

Me:
Romans 11:17
And if some of the branches be broken off, and thou, being
a wild olive tree, wert graffed in among them, and with
them partakest of the root and fatness of the olive tree; 

Romans 11:19
Thou wilt say then, The branches were broken off, that I
might be graffed in. 

Romans 11:24
For if thou wert cut out of the olive tree which is wild by
nature, and wert graffed contrary to nature into a good
olive tree: how much more shall these, which be the natural
branches, be graffed into their own olive tree? 

I'm not quite sure what you meant by that LONG post in the
middle.  The branches could come from any in God's kingdom.

MeB4:
> Here is a QUICK chronology: Great falling away,
Tribulation
> > of the Church, Rapture, Marking of the 144,000
(saints),
> > Two witnesses preach, Plagues poured out on Earth,
> > Witnesses killed, Great man of Sin in all power, God
> > destroys much of Earth, People get discouraged, Demons
do
> > "miracles" and people renew assault, Jews run to Jesus
at
> > "Har Meggido", Vast army of unholy trinity attack,
Jesus
> > speak a Word, blood runs 4 feet deep, Jesus and saints
rule
> > for 1000 years while Satan is bound, Satan released for
> > short while, Satan thrown into pit, sinners thrown into
> > pit, Jesus bows to God, God speaks a Word, Elements
"melt",
> > Everything made NEW--GOD IS ALL IN ALL!

Pastor Dan:
> Hal Lindsy and Clarence Larkin doctrine identical!

Me:
As I have said before they also teach that the blood of
Jesus washes whiter than snow, that Jesus is the only way
to get to Heaven, that communion is the body and blood of
Christ, that one must repent of their sins...  You have
failed to show where this in and of itself makes these
teachings false.  

Pastor Dan:
> Brother Tim I love you again, but this is not sound
doctrine, this is the doctrine handed down by the false
church.

Me:
You keep saying this, and in ALL LOVE AND HUMILITY sir you
have offered nothing more than that to support your claims.
 I am trying not to be offensive but all you are saying is
that "things continue as they always have."  There are deep
Spiritual truths in the book of revelation but there is a
real DANGER in convincing the saints that this is ALL there
is.

Satan has done his job well by making people think that
anyone who says "the end is near" is a nut.  

Let's cut to the quick here.  How is this Earth going to
end?  

If you will presist in telling me this is false doctrine I
would ask that you 1. find out exactly what it is that I AM
saying. 2. give me something better than "this is
Trinitarian doctrine" and "Hal Lindsey teaches this same
thing" as evidence that it is false. 3. give me Scripture
that establishes the truth of your claims.

The way you present your arguments is to make an unfounded
claim, use much Scripture to support a secondary point,
refuse to look at the evidence I present then try to imply
that I am somehow arguing against the Oneness of God when I
say "that isn't in the Bible" or "Just because a
Trinitarian teaches a thing doesn't make it wrong."    

You:
 I thought this possible myself for 
> years, but when tied in with the vision of chebar, and
the knowledge of the 
> horses, and why the serpent was lifted up in the
wilderness it does not wash.

Me:
Huh?  Vision of chebar?  Knowlege of the horses?

The Serpent was lifted in the wilderness as an ante-type of
Christ being made (responsible for, not turned into) sin
and Him hanging on the cross, accursed, and the plague of
the other snakes (consequences of sin/death) being lifted
from those who would in obedience to the Word of God, look
to the Snake that had gained power over the other snakes
(was "over" them since he was "lifted up").

Here again I fail to see where this makes what I have
writen false. 

Pastor Dan:
A belief that man can put the events of God in chronology
order has cost many their soul.

Me:
May the Lord forgive you this remark sir.  

It is an invention of man that the book of Revelation is to
be interpreted in any other manner than chronologically.

Timothy Litteral
472 Grant St.
Marion Ohio 43302
brotim@gte.net
http://members.tripod.com/~trlitteral/

Timothy Litteral
472 Grant St.
Marion Ohio 43302
brotim@gte.net
http://members.tripod.com/~trlitteral/