Revelation Questions

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From: dwellman@zoomnet.net (Pastor Dan Wellman)
To: higher-fire@prairienet.org
Subject: Further Revelations Questions

 DW> Here again Brother Joe there is no such thing as the rapture. The
 DW> thousand years is the one eternal day of the Lord. When we enter
 DW> into this day it will never cease. Every one at birth is in this
 DW> day, then as Eve they fall committing sin. Satan is loosed on
 DW> them for a season, when we enter back into the garden, or kingdom
 DW> through Jesus Christ Satan is bound and we have power over him.

     The millennial kingdom is declared to be a literal, earthly kingdom
over which Christ rules from David's throne in fulfillment of the Davidic
covenant (II Samuel 7:8-17; Matthew 1:1; Luke 1`:32). This kingdom is the
subject of Old Testament prophecy (II Samuel 7:8-17; Isaiah 9:6-7; 11:1-16;
Jeremiah 23:5; 33:14-17; Ezekiel 34:23; 37:24; Hosea 3:4-5; Micah 4:6-8;
5:2; Zechariah 2:10-12; 8:20-23; Psalm 2:6, 8-10; 72:11, 17; Malachi 3:1-4).
This kingdom was proclaimed as "at hand" at Christ's first advent (Matthew
3:2; 4:17: 10:5-7); but was rejected by Israel and therefore postponed
(Matthew 23:37-39). It will again be announced to Israel in the tribulation
period (Matthew 24:14). It will be received by Israel and set up at the
second advent of Christ (Isaiah 24:23; Revelation 19:11-16; 30:1-6).

 DW> But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the
 DW> which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the
 DW> ELEMENTS shall MELT with fervent heat, the earth also and the
 DW> works that are therein shall be burned up.

     The term DAY OF THE LORD occurs in the following passages: Isaiah 2:12;
13:6, 9; Ezekiel 13:5; 30:3; Joel 1:15; 2:1, 11, 31; 3:14; Amos 5:18
(twice), 20; Obadiah 15; Zephaniah 1:7, 14 (twice); Zechariah 14:1; Malachi
4:5; Acts 2:20; I Thessalonians 5:2; II Thessalonians 2:2; II Peter 3:10. In
addition, the phrase THAT DAY or THE DAY or THE GREAT DAY occurs more than
seventy-five times in the Old Testament. The frequency with which it occurs
will evidence its importance in the prophetic Scriptures. These passages
reveal that the idea of judgment is paramount in all of them. This is so
clearly brought out in Zephaniah 1:14-18. This judgment includes not only
the specific judgments upon Israel and the nations at the end of the
tribulation that are associated with the second advent, but, from a
consideration of the passages themselves, includes judgments that extend
over a period of time prior to the second advent. Thus, it is concluded that
he Day of the Lord will include the time of the tribulation. Zechariah
14:1-4 makes it clear that the events of the second advent are included in
the program of the Day of the Lord. II Peter 3:10 gives authority for
including the entire millennial age within this period. If the Day of the
Lord did not begin until the second advent, since that event is preceded by
signs, the Day of the Lord could not come as a "thief in the night,"
unexpected, and unheralded, as it is said it will come in I Thessalonians
5:2. The only way this day could break unexpectedly upon the world is to
have it begin immediately after the rapture of the church. It is thus
concluded that the Day of the Lord is that extended period of time beginning
with God's dealing with Israel after the rapture at the beginning of the
tribulation period and extending through the second advent and the
millennial age into the creation of the new heavens and new earth after the
millennium.

     It will be evident that the events within the Day of the Lord area
indeed momentous. It will include that prophesied events of the tribulation
period, such as: the rise of the political ruler of this empire, who makes a
covenant with Israel (Daniel 9:27; Revelation 13:1-10); the formulation of a
false religious system under the false prophet. (Revelation 13:11-18); the
pouring out of the judgments under the seals (Revelation 6); the separation
of the 144,000 witnesses (Revelation 7); the trumpet judgments (Revelation
8-11); the rise of God's witness (Revelation 11); the persecution of Israel
(Revelation 12); the pouring out of the bowl judgments (Revelation 16); the
overthrow of the false professing church (Revelation 17 and 18); the events
of the campaign of Armageddon (Ezekiel 38 and 39); Revelation 16:16;
19:17-30); the proclamation of the gospel of the kingdom (Matthew 24:140. It
will also include the prophesied events connected with the second advent,
such as: the return of the Lord (Matthew 24:29-30); their resurrection of
the Old Testament and tribulation saints (John 6:39-40; Revelation 20:4);
the destruction of the Beast and all his armies and the False Prophet and
his followers in the Beast worship (Revelation 19:11-21); the judgment on
the nations (Matthew 25:31-46); the regathering of Israel (Ezekiel
20:33-38); the restoration of Israel to the land (Amos 9:15); the binding of
Satan (Revelation 20:2-3). Further it will include all the events of the
millennial age, with the final revolt of Satan (Revelation 20:7-10); the
great white throne judgment (Revelation 20:11-15); and the purging of the
earth II Peter 3:10-13).

 DW> THE FALSE DOCTRINE teaches people will be left here alive for a
 DW> thousand years. They interpret these scriptures with the carnal
 DW> mind.(Mat 24:41 KJV)

     Indeed not. Some very spiritual people differ with your interpretation
here. To broad brush label it as false doctrine is to imply that these
people do not have a prayer life and that God does not talk with them.

 DW> Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken,
 DW> and the other left. They see the ones left as being left here on
 DW> this earth.

     Matthew 24:41-42 "Two [women shall be] grinding at the mill; the one
shall be taken, and the other left.   Watch therefore: for ye know not what
hour your Lord doth come." This passage is in that discourse in which the
Lord outlines His program for Israel, who is already in the tribulation
period. The one taken is taken to judgment and the one left is left for the
millennial blessing. Such is not the prospect for the church.

 DW> Notice the five foolish virgins were left, where? They did not
 DW> enter into the kingdom.

Neither the wise nor the foolish virgins of this parable represent the
church. The bride groom has gone to he dwelling of the bride to bring her to
his house. The 10 virgins are awaiting the return of the bridegroom with his
bride. Thus they cannot represent the church which is the bride of Christ.
These virgins are guests at the wedding celebration.

 DW> All saints are taken into the kingdom, no  one can be saved
 DW> without preaching.

Who preached to Abraham and to Noah? Were they not saved? How about Jacob?
Who preached to him?

Walter Copes
The joy of the Lord is my strength
(wcopes@communique.net)
Walter L Copes