Bro. Brown? I was like him -- "just a plain old nerd" (to paraphrase you) -- > to get him to listen to me. Me: 1 Corinthians 9:22 To the weak became I as weak, that I might gain the weak: I am made all things to all men, that I might by all means save some. Timothy Litteral 472 Grant St. Marion Ohio 43302 brotim@gte.net http://members.tripod.com/~trlitteral/