Dave: > One cannot determine who is serving God Me: True. Dave: ...and who isn't. Me: We sure can tell who ISN'T saved. Why not let God be God and TELL you how to be saved! When you stand before Jesus He will not argue with you and talk about DOGMATIC! Timothy Litteral 472 Grant St. Marion Ohio 43302 brotim@gte.net http://members.tripod.com/~trlitteral/