Why are you classified as a cult?

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On Fri, 09 May 1997 12:34:18 -0700 suprdave@lightspeed.net writes:

>Chris Sterrett:
>>Kinda a biased view don't you think?
 
>Superdave
>I just gave a non-confrontational viewpoint. I was not being biased, 
>just stating "maybe". 

Sounded deeper than non-confrontational to me.  
 
>>Chris Sterrett:
>> You see, we(Oneness) base salvation truly by what the Bible says. 
 
>Superdave:
>So do the other religions and denominations. 

I would have to strongly disagree there.  There is only one road
to salvation and not everyone is right.

 
>Superdave:
>You cannot put others down for not holding the same viewpoint as you. 

I don't put down anyone.  Remember I said, you have the right to your
own opinion, and of course that goes for me to.  I have the right to say
I strongly disagree with your viewpoints.

Superdave:
>you cannot say all Christians are wanting
>the best of both worlds because they don't see "eye to eye" as you. 

I never said "all" Christians.  I believe I used the term "some".
The one who I said want the best of both worlds are those which
live in a sad state of lukewarmness, and indifference.
Please don't misconstrue my words.

Superdave:
>When you insist "This is the way it has to be" with no Bible
clarification, 
>then it is "opinion" and not Bible.  

You want Biblical clarification for Holiness, salvation, Oneness? 
I can give you many scriptures.  
I never said, "this is the way if has to be"  God says that clear enough
throughout the Bible.

Superdave:
> I have read comments saying that people hold the same
>view as their Pastor even if there is no Bible to substantiate
>what they teach in regards to standards. 

I call those which sit under a pastor and do not obey His set standards,
rebellious!  Either agree with your pastor, or find one you can agree
with!
He IS your shepherd.  
The only time I think I would not follow his direction is if he wanted to
ride
Hale-Bopp somewhere, or offer some Kool-aide to the congregation.

Superdave:
>That's fine if people want to do 
>this, but let's not be divisive over it or discount 
>ones salvation or sincerity.

Salvation:  No need for me to discount that.  The Bible is clear on
salvation.  The Holy ghost will do the discounting.
Sincerity:  Many people error in thinking that as long as they
are sincere about their beliefs, then they are right.  You can be
very devoted to your beliefs, honest, and sincere, but that doesn't
make anyone right!  The only thing right is the Word of God.
I don't want sincerity preached to me, I want truth!

>Chris Sterrett:
>>Dave, you might not view the Bible the way we do, that's ok.  Your
>>opinion is allowed
>>to be expressed.  However, don't expect some of us to sit around and 
>>let your views hinder the walk of any weak person on here.  There are a

>>few who will stand up for what is right,
>>we will stand up for what is just, and we will hold high the banner 
>>of truth.
 
>Superdave:
>I'm not trying to make anyone stumble with my observation as to why 
>Oneness groups are labeled as a cult.

Ahhhh, there we have it, YOUR observation, not what others say or think.
Remember, I said that your answer seemed more personal and deeper
than non-confrontational.  From your earlier post, I believe you said
*some* Oneness groups  had a "dogmatic" view of salvation.
So I don't "misunderstand" your words, please explain carefully what
you mean by a "dogmatic view"

Superdave:
>As a matter of fact, why don't you go to them
>and ask they "why" since you feel that I'm biased. 

I have asked some that question.  I have yet to hear someone 
say that Oneness have a "dogmatic" view of salvation.  Salvation
 is not up for "personal opinion"  It is very clearly stated in the
Bible,  Of 
course there are those which want the easiest road to Heaven.

Superdave:
>Ask them and they'll tell you. 

Most which claim Onenes to be a cult also tend to stick to
Creeds written many years after God's Word was forever settled.

Superdave:
>They might be more straight forward than myself,
> but I don't wish to come across that way.

Oh, don't be bashful! :)  You were doing a great job of it early
this year in disregarding Holiness standards.

Chris Sterrett:
>>I am only giving you fair warning that your
>>statements have set off
>>many warning bells in my head.  I am seeing things which disagree 
>>with the Holy Ghost in my heart, and I will not stand by idle any
longer.

>Superdave:
>You sound paranoid. The Holy Spirit fills us with the peace of God, a 
>peace that passes all understanding. 

If we "tune" ourselves to the Holy Ghost, we can also sense when someone
speaks that which is contrary to What God wants of us.

As for you paranoid statement....
I have the assurance that God will protect me from any false-teachings,
evil spirits, etc.  Being paranoid is not what I am about.  

Galations 1:7-8  

Paranoid?  No.  It's called, defending the Gospel.  Standing firm in the
truth.

Superdave:
>I'm going to say this: From this point forward, when I give a 
>viewpoint, I'll do my best to be as non-confrontative and 
>non-threatening in my approach.

If you disagree with what is being discussed, please by all means,
state your opinion.  I am mearly saying that there are some on here,
I being one of them, which have found some of your thoughts to
be erroneous (ie: Deut 22: Standards) 
By my standing by and not replying when I see something 
in error, by my silence I would be agreeing.

Chris Sterrett:
>It's at this point where we need to examine scripture with 
>an open mind and not try to point the finger accusing each other as the 
>"bad guy". 

Did I ever say you were the bad guy?  


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