The New Jerusalem (et al)

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Brother Copes,

>   I sincerely apologize for the misunderstanding and ask forgiveness.

I accept your apology, but it was unnecessary.  I was not offended, just 
surprised.  I have never heard anyone use the 'bride as buildings' 
argument.  If I had heard it in person I am sure I would have needed the 
Holy Ghost to keep me from laughing out loud.  But then again, I have 
heard people who have never been around Catholics be really surprised 
by some of the things they do/say (I did/said).  Oh well.  I am thankful 
for the light in which I now walk.

>      Again I apologize. I have been in too many discussion with Calvinist
on
> the subject of the necessity of baptism. Since Scripture does not say it
is
> necessary every other passage they have concluded that it is not
important
> nor necessary for the remission of sins. It is hard for and old man to
break
> old habits. I apologize for the rudeness.

I really did not think your post was rude.  I understand your consternation

with those you mention above.  I am often astounded when what to me is 
so crystal clear in scripture is like mud to others.  That is where God's 
most prescious divine instrument of revelation comes in.  They do not 
see because it is not given to them to see.  Pray that their hearts will 
open that their eyes may then be opened.

>      Perhaps both. God uses physical things to demonstrate spiritual
truth.
> For instance, the physical relationship of marriage forces a certain
degree
> of spiritual closeness (in human terms) but which is based upon the
> spiritual relationship which God would like us to have with Him.

I agree.  God does use physical things to demonstrate spiritual truth.  I 
would say that all the miracles which took place during the flight from 
Egypt by the children of Israel were both physical realities and 
spiritual lessons.  This is one of the beautiful aspects of God and His 
word.  He is so multi-faceted.  Frankly, He is in no way limited only 
to the spiritual and the physical; though we may not be able to conceive of

anything beside those aspects, God could have many other shall 
we call them 'dimensions' of operation.  Someday I would like the 
opportunity to discus something God revealed to me in referance 
to the 'depth' of God (see Eph 3:18).  If anyone wants to converse 
on this privately, I would welcome it.

>  Like you is believe that the New Jerusalem is both physical and
spiritual.

When I originally posted on this topic I did not pin down my opinion 
on this (remember, I used the word 'perhaps').  I will say now that 
I do believe that there is both a physical and a spiritual aspect to 
New Jerusalem.  But I also believe that as was mentioned, John was 
coming from a point of view of discribing something that was/is 
probably on the very edge of being completely incomprehensible to 
the natural man, in terms of its 'awesomeness'.  BC I widely read 
Science Fiction and Fantasy novels and I can conceive of an aweful 
lot of things, yet the Word tells us that "Eye hath not seen, nor 
ear heard, neither have entered into the heart of man, the 
things which God hath prepared for them that love him." 
1 Cor 2:9  These things are so deep that they can only 
come by revelation of the Spirit (1 Cor 2:10)

>      This is not on the subject but I would be most interested in knowing
> what brought about your conversion to the truth. I was raised up around
> Pentecost (Oneness) when I was a child and sort of drifted away then came
> back as an adult.

This I will post to you privately, not because I am ashamed or anything, 
just because it is too much to go into here.


Kathy (both a building-habitation of God and the Bride of Christ) Dimick
Falkville, Alabama
kdimick@colsa.com
kedimick@hotmail.com

"For to me to live is Christ"