Trumpet and Vial Judgments

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From: Joe Chancellor <browser@wt.net>
To: higher-fire@prairienet.org
Subject: Re: Trumpet and Vial Judgments

 WC> THE VIALS OR BOWLS

 JC> Why not? They sound nearly verbatim nearly the entire time

     The description of Satan in Ezekiel 28 sounds remarkably similar to
that of the New Jerusalem with all the precious stones. However, I don't
think either of us would believe that it is a description of the same thing. 

 JC> the sixth of each both dry up that poor old Euphrates...How many
 JC> times is that dude gonna dry up?

     Realistically it can be dried up as often as the Turkish government
deems it necessary so long as Turkey controls the dam. Islam is the
religions of Turkey at this time. However, you present an exceptional case.

 JC> The trumpets begin in the middle of the tribulation and depict
 JC> events during the entire second half of the week. The vials seem
 JC> to cover a very brief period at the end of the tribulation just
 JC> prior to the second advent of Christ.

 JC> vials and the trumpets each have nearly identical language...they
 JC> both prepare for armageddon on the sixth and they both end up at
 JC> the end with thunders and lightnings and voices and
 JC> earthquakes...but this brother makes the statement that they do
 JC> not cover the same period...but gives no particular reason...they
 JC> just....dont...My only question here is...why don't they?   Why
 JC> do you feel this way...

     If they are identical as indicated why was God unable to make up His
mind as to what to call them? Why repeat the same event using a different
label since it is the same identical event.? We do have different authors
describing the same event in the Gospels yet using slightly different
language. Yet in Revelation we have only one author describing an event
using one term for the judgment and then describing the same event a second
time and using a different label for the judgment. What purpose is served by
doing such a thing?

 JC> I sincerely want you to know Brother Copes that I am not trying
 JC> to be complicated or hard to get along with...I usually dont even
 JC> answer posts like this one.

     You obviously have conviction that your interpretation is correct or
you would not even bother to answer. While I believe that I should present
the strongest case possible supporting what I believe please understand that
I am unwilling to stake my salvation on it. While I enjoy discussions of the
end time and believe that we should attempt to understand correctly what the
Scripture says about it the bottom line is that it is not a matter of
salvation. Nor do I want to give the impression that what I believe
concerning eschatology is set in concrete.

 JC> Reason being that I make a statement...you make a counter state-
 JC> ment and I leave it at that...I have stated how I see it and you
 JC> have stated how you see and everybody has heard both....so we
 JC> should all have enough info to study some more

     And so we should. One of us is not correct and the possibility exists
that we are both wrong.

 JC> ...but these SEEM TO ME....and I could be wrong...but they seem
 JC> to me to be blind blanket statements to be taken and believed on
 JC> faith that this brother knows what he is talking about...i would
 JC> just like to know why he and or you feel this way...what basis is
 JC> this assertion built on...

     The one thing I am sure of is that God is logical in all that He does.
For instance when I am told that the church must go through the seven years
of tribulation I ask why. I have been told on more than one occasion (in
other discussion groups) that it is to purify the church. Such a statement
tells me that until those alive at the time go through the tribulation the
church is not pure and thus the salvation of all the generations before are
dependent upon those alive at the time going through the period. It also
says to me that the blood of Jesus is insufficient to purify the church. The
implication is that salvation is earned. I don't believe it nor do I think
you would believe it either. If the church is going to go through the seven
years of tribulation then there is a logical reason why it must.

     While it is entirely possible that the vial and trumpet judgments are
identical I see no logical reason why God would describe such a judgment
twice and use a different name each time. Why waste space duplicating the
same event giving each a different name? Why not give one description two
names? 

Walter Copes
The joy of the Lord is my strength
(wcopes@communique.net)
Walter L Copes