Question on who John saw on the throne

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From: ClimbnDav <ClimbnDav@aol.com>
To: higher-fire@prairienet.org <higher-fire@prairienet.org>
Date: Saturday, May 02, 1998 5:33 AM
Subject: Re: Question on who John saw on the throne

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  I t appears in reading the 4th and 5th chapters that John did see
>two manifestations of God.  Can anyone explain this?  It does seem like a
good
>arguamen for trintarians to argue about the Trinity and I don't know how to
>reply?


Steven paste,
Rev 4:2  And immediately I was in the spirit; and, behold, a throne was set
in heaven, and one sat on the throne.
"one" John saw one, on the throne.
Deu 6:4  Hear, O Israel: The LORD our God is one LORD:
Mark 12:29  And Jesus answered him, The first of all the commandments is,
Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
Gal 3:20  Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.

We must know that God is a Spirit.
John 4:24  God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in
spirit and in truth.

Jesus, the Christ was the body, the body that God dwelt in, in order to give
Himself a ransom for mankind, and many other things He did.
Gen 22:8  And Abraham said, My son, God will provide himself a lamb for a
burnt offering: so they went both of them together.
God, "Himself," was the Lamb.

We know that if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost.
2 Cor 4:3  But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

God has given us a book whereby we can see, by revelation, who Jesus is,
remember it's only by the Holy Ghost.
1 Cor 12:3  Wherefore I give you to understand, that no man speaking by the
Spirit of God calleth Jesus accursed: and that no man can say that Jesus is
the Lord, but by the Holy Ghost.
Eph 4:5  One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
Eph 4:6  One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and
in you all.

IMHO I believe Jesus took the book from His own right hand.
Eph 1:20  Which he wrought in Christ, when he raised him from the dead, and
set him at his own right hand in the heavenly places,
Some folks see the right hand of God as at His right side,(or outside
himself) but the side we should see is the wounded side. Not looking to His
right side but to his bleeding side.
Isa 43:11  I, even I, am the LORD; and beside me there is no saviour.
There is "no saviour" *beside* me.
Isa 44:6  Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD
of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.

Col 2:9  For in him dwelleth all the fulness of the Godhead bodily.
Eph 1:23  Which is his body, the fulness of him that filleth all in all.

Jesus raised Himself. Jesus said, "I will raise it up."
John 2:19  Jesus answered and said unto them, Destroy this temple, and in
three days I will raise it up.
Isa 26:19  Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they
arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of
herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead.
God of the old testament saying "with my dead body."

God was "manifest in the flesh."
1 Tim 3:16  And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God
was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached
unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.
John 14:21  He that hath my commandments, and keepeth them, he it is that
loveth me: and he that loveth me shall be loved of my Father, and I will
love him, and will manifest myself to him.
He will manifest (or make Himself known to all who love Him)

I don't know of anyone who really "knows" who Jesus is, except those who
have obeyed the gospel according to Acts 2:38.

Your servant for Jesus sake,
Steven Hall