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Me b4:
 	I have read this a couple of times, maybe I am reading something 
into this
that is not there, (I hope) but surely you don't think these people 
are saved
before the are baptized in water in the name of Jesus do you?
                                 Mike Reed

You:
Surely you don't think ANYONE is saved until the judgement day?  
Remember that salvation is the end, not to the beginning...just a few 
scriptures to point out that no one has salvation at this time.  (You 
don't have to read...just there for our readers.... =>)


 Me:
 Okay, I don't believe in the doctrine of eternal security.  Now back to my
question. "surely you don't think these people are saved before they are
baptized in water in the name of Jesus do you?"  I will rephrase the question.
Do you think these people can be saved without being baptized in water in the
name of Jesus?