Salvation The Pentecostal Way 1

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Steve Starcher wrote:

> Salvation for Apostolics is something that happens to us.  We are
> baptized in the Holy Spirit.  We Speak in tongues.  We are baptized in
> water in the name of Jesus Christ. We encounter the presence of the
> risen Lord Jesus Christ.  And our lives are forever changed by it!  The
> Apostolic Pentecostal doctrine of salvation should be a description of
> the experience of salvation in the Apostolic community informed and
> interpreted by Holy Scripture. Since the inception of their movement
> Apostolics have struggled to give this dynamic and powerful salvation a
> biblical and theological expression.
>

In our initial discussion I questioned your used of "perspective" and now I see "Salvation for Apostolics" and
again I question its use. You were asked about salvation of non-baptized, non-Holy Ghost filled people and
your answer is a huge post, or as I understand it a very long yes. Most of this post I have heard before by
the denominal world. I will not get into a point by point discussion again but I seriously disagree with the
implications that you make about salvation and the truth concerning the Gospel. Your seemingly justifing other
salvation doctrines is a dangerous road to travel and rather than get into another verbage match with you
(being a simple redneck I tend to be more blunt any how) I will just say that I find this post an serious
error in doctrine It sounds like the kind of doctrine that crept into the trinitarian pentecostal ranks years
ago and now they find themselves without holiness, without an Acts 2:38 experience as salvation and with a
dead worship style ( at least in many that I have seen/heard about). It is similar to the ideology that pushes
Promise Keepers, that caused the agreement between the RCC and the Evangelicals and many other eucemincal
movements. This in part is what Paul was refering to in Gal. about leaving the Gospel.

You mention that Luke wrote the Book(s) after pentecost and his version was biased by that, but I have always
understood that all of the gospels were post Pentecost so all are influenced by that knowledge and by the Holy
Ghost. There is no confusion or different versions, just man's interpretations and man's wisdom is not a good
thing to follow.

I am not a seperationist, I beleive that becoming a religious hermit is against Biblical priniciples, but at
the same time if my beliefs offend people then I will not change to make them like me. I will not compromise
the gospel to make my Baptist friends feel more at ease around me. My wife will not cut her hair and wear
pants to stop her denominal friends from feeling uncomfortable, I wont ask my co-workers over for a Super-Bowl
party to get some fellowship in. My life is a witness and I talk to people, I dont downgrade their beliefs,
but I present mine as a further step (to accept salvation one must realiaze that one is not saved and for the
denominal world that is tough), but when asked if I think they are saved I always replied that 1) I dont see
but one plan of salvation and 2) that descision is in the Lord's hands.

As Apostolics, as Holy Ghost filled Christians we have drawn a line that we will not cross. Your theology
crosses that line for most Apostolics that I know.

Lord Bless in the Precious Name of Jesus Christ,
Bro. Bill Clifton
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