agree with caryle clear hypocrisy

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At 06:41 PM 5/28/98 EDT, Bro Sterrett wrote:
>>Sis. Sharon wrote:

>>I have and haveing the exeprience of the lackness of love in the 
>>church, I was born again when I was a teenager, I wnet to UPC that
>> has cliques I was the outcast. I felt very isolated from everybody else
>>because I was handicapped. 
>
>Maybe this is a pet peave of mine, or maybe the comment was 
>directed this way...but I fail to see the connection on how one's
>experience can negate a whole Organization.  I do not believe
>that the UPCI as a whole is the problem.  In your case, Sis Sharon,
>it seems to be a isolated incident involving a church in your area
>that is within the UPCI.  

I can see very easily how something like this can *discredit* (in an
individuals eyes) an organization.  I don't know from what region of
the U.S. that Sis Sharon hails.  But there are some areas where a 
particular organization is represented only once.  If this is the 
case, then it might have been very unreasonable for her (while hurting)
to go out and seek comfort from another (supposedly) like minded church
that (in her eyes) might behave in similiar fashion.  It's also very
possible that she *knew* of no other instances of a church in the 
same organization.  It's very possible that the church she went to 
was the only ambassadorship to a particular organization that she knew
about at the time.

I can see someone drawing those conclusions very easily.  Regardless
of the organization.

>>I left UPC went over to trinty penencostal when I was in 
>>my 20's. I left my first husband and backslidded 
>
>If I may ask, did you know or feel the revelation  of the
>Oneness of God before you left for a trinity church or was
>it something you had only been taught, and not taken to heart yet.
>It is one thing, in my opinion, to leave a church that lacks love, but
>to leave the Oneness of God all together seems to be a
>serious leap.  

I'd say that if a church *lacks love* ... there's little to entice
the new saint to stay there.  Regardless doctrinal purity.  If they're
treating her badly.  She should move on.  I can't fault her a single 
bit.

>So I was driven to backslidden.
>
>This might go against some peoples theology, but I do not
>believe anyone can drive me to backslide.  When all is said
>and done, it comes down to your own decision.  Some churches
>do tend to 'let go' of people, but in the end, we have ultimately
>let go of our own walk...nobody decided it for us.

Yeah... that's correct.  Just as nobody can make us *love* God and
make us turn our lives over.... we have to be willing to give up on
God as well.  

B-b-b-b-b-b-but at the same time, if she suffered hurt at the hands
of those that call themselves *christians* ... what conclusions is
she supposed to draw if other christians don't treat her with respect
and love?  If christians don't treat her with respect and love, then
God might not as welll either.  What's the motivation to stay with
God if those around her didn't show what it was like to be a true
christian?  

It's the things that come FROM our mouths that defile us.  If folks
present themselves as christians when their behavior defiles (makes
common) their christian walk to the point where there's no distinguishing
between christianity and worldliness because you can be treated just as
badly inside- the church as you can outside- of it, there's really no
reason to even believe doctrine that was presented her.  A serious
issue of credibility.

Bro Tyler

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