"Why no Trinitarian will be saved"

• Messages sorted by:[ date ][ thread ][ subject ][ author ]

On Wed, 31 Jul 1996, Benny Santos <bacsanto@acs.ucalgary.ca> wrote:
>>Well, most trinitarians would agree that Christ is Jesus, and that the
>>bridegroom is Jesus.  What they miss is not the name of the
>>bridegroom, but who the bridegroom is.  He is God.  They miss this
>>point.  They fail to comprehend that God is Jesus.
>
>I agree.
>Although hardline Trinitarians would argue that they know that Jesus is
>God, *but* as a different person, which is, as we know, a grave mistake.
>
>In response to Brad.
>Alot of people who attend trinitarian churches don't really understand the
>trinity! When I talk with them about God they agree, because their
>unaware that many other Trinitarians are accusing us of heresy.
I agree.  Most "trinitarians" do not actually know what they believe, yet 
hang on like gang busters to the (no-biblical) term trinity.

Most of the trinitarians that I know also believe that you can go to heaven 
for being a good person (or even a bad person that others like).

>As for some other trinitarians who are told by their officials that we are
>heretics, they are against us. For their ignorance I will not label them
>pagans. 
I used the term "pagan" to signify where "the trinity" came from-- a mixing 
of pagan (pan-theist) teachings and truth.

>In my opinion some are pagans (pan-theistic) some are not.
Some are pagans, some have not "Studied to show themselves approved"-- they 
are ignorant of the word of God.

>I have had fellowship with some trinitarians, their love for God I
>have witnessed, and their love is no illusion, how can I label them
>pagans? 
I have a co-worker who is a neo-pagan.  He is a really nice guy.  I get 
along with him well.  He is very sincere.

Remember:

"Many will say in that day, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name?  And 
in thy name have cast out devils?  And in thy name done many wonderful 
works?  And then I will profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, 
ye that work iniquity."  Matt 7:22-23

Sincerity and "Love for God" will not get you into heaven.  Obedience to the 
word of God will.

>They know who God is, and God knows them.
Does he really?  Really?  Take another look at the preceeding verse:

"I never knew you".

>Yes, pagans shall go to hell, but be very careful who we call pagans.

pa.gan \'pa--g*n\ \-g*-nish\ n [ME, fr. LL paganus, fr. L, country dweller, 
fr. pagus country dist]rict; akin to L pangere to fix -
more at PACT 1: HEATHEN 2: an irreligious person - pagan aj 

heathen \-d*m\ \-th*-.niz-*m\ n or heathens or heathen pl 1: an unconverted 
member of a people or nation that does not acknowledge the God of the Bible 
: PAGAN 2: an uncivilized or irreligious person - hea.then.dom n 

ir.re.li.gious \-'lij-*s\ aj 1: lacking religious emotions, doctrines, or 
practices 2: indicating lack of religion - ir.re.li.gious.ly av 

A pagan is an irreligious person.  An irreligious person is one that lacks 
doctrine.  Trinitarians lack the doctrine of oneness.  Associative 
principle, anyone?

That being said, I love sinners.  I want to see them saved.  But we must 
teach the truth.  We cannot afford to water it down.

I realize that we can teach oneness until we are blue in the face to no 
avail.  It is God gives the revelation of His name (Jesus).

>
>I admire your zeal for the Truth.
Thanks.

>I agree, the Truth is our foundation, and Jesus is the Truth. We can
>examine ourselves with regards to the Truth, but we cannot examine others.
Agreed.

>To claim things in the name of the Truth, is foolish. 
How so?

>I have seen how such things has divided and weakened my Church. 
What?  Your church was divided by the truth?

>Christians must humble themselves to God and their fellow men, and teach 
>only what God teaches like Jesus our Lord.
Yes.

>
>I want to appreciate that other people, no matter how lost, loves God. 

Agreed.  That does not make a sinner un-lost.

>I do this not to accept their ignorance, but to aid in bringing them closer
>to the Truth. We offer them the Truth of One God, let them examine
>themselves with a clear conscience before God. We as Christians should
>know the Truth when we see, hear or even feel it. When we observe, we
>should be able to know what is false and what is true, but we cannot
>observe everything in full like God.

Point well taken.

>
>The reason I will be plain as others, is because we talking about millions
>of people around the world, not just people in our home town.
>
I don't understand what you are trying to say here.

>					-Brother Ben
>
>
>
Bradley E. Young   Chief Bottle Washer
byoung@spry.com    +1.206.957.8249
Sometimes I lie awake at night, and I ask, "Where have I gone wrong?"
Then a voice says to me, "This is going to take more than one night."
                              -- Charlie Brown,
                               _Peanuts_ [Charles Schulz]