"Why no Trinitarian will be saved"

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Disclaimer:

I am not attempting to discuss methods for witnessing to trintitarians, just 
the truth.  I am not advocating beating up trinitarians.  Since this is a 
oneness pentecostal forum, I am discussing the meat of God's word, and 
passing up the milk.

On Thu, 01 Aug 1996, Dee Goepel <dee@kagoona.mitre.org> wrote:
>From: byoung@spry.com
>>I agree.  Most "trinitarians" do not actually know what they believe, yet 
>>hang on like gang busters to the (no-biblical) term trinity.
>
>Well if they do not know what they believe, they are agnostic, not 
>trinitarian.  It is unfair to truly label such a person a trinitarian.  
When I said that they do not know what they believe, I did not mean that 
they were unsure of their belief.  I meant that they did not understand it.  
That does not make them agnostic; it makes them ignorant.

>That is like calling someone a Christian because they went to church 
>once.  
I have met plenty of people that are perfectly willing to say that someone 
is going to heaven, even though the life that the person lead was in clear 
defiance and rebellion to God's word.  Take, for example, my former 
wrestling coach (Scott Rhoads, who died on flight 800).

Many said that he had gone to heaven (including a denominal minister), but 
his life was not in accordance to God's plan.  I am not trying to judge him, 
but how can someone justify saying that he is going to heaven?

>
>>Most of the trinitarians that I know also believe that you can go to 
heaven 
>>for being a good person (or even a bad person that others like).
>
>I have never met a trintarian who believed this.  I have met a lot of 
>non-Christians who believe this.  I think that society in general 
>tends to hold this opinion though they don't explicitly say so.
>
To me, trinitarians are non-christians (because christians believe in 
oneness).  Remember where they were first called christian, and what they 
believed that got them called that.  However, seeing the reaction that it 
would generate with people that believe such, I would not tell a trinitarian 
that (under most circumstances).

>There are some who claim Christianity who do not know Christ at
>all.  
True.

>Such people often hold to this belief of "being a good person"
>as a justification for salvation.  This is not an issue of being a 
>trinitarian or a oneness believer.  Jesus is the only way.  The 
>only path for salvation.  I don't know of any trinitarian who disputes
>this.  I have heard discrepancies amongst trinitarians re: once saved
>always saved vs. the possibility of losing salvation, but never such
>as thing as just be a good person.  
I have.

>
>The whole "being a good person" concept is a very humanisitic view
>and God does not see things through our eyes.  Though some may
>think it unfair that someone who never knew Christ but did lots of
>volunteer work, helped the needy,  gave to charity, etc. etc. etc. 
>will go to hell, that is nevertheless the case.  And God is a fair and
>just God, we cannot place our human views of fairness on God.
>The old testament was based on such a premise as saved by deeds,
>yet ALL fall short and are thus doomed.  God has been exceedingly
>generous (more than simply fair) by allowing us the second chance
>through Jesus Christ.
I don't disagree.

>
>These "trinitarians" that you know are probably not really Christians
>though they may go to church and even read the Bible occationally.
>Anyone who thinks that "being a good person (or even a bad person 
>that others like)" will bring salvation has obviously missed the point.
Agreed.

>
>-Dee
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