"Why no Trinitarian will be saved"

Brenda Ray (puah@n-link.com)
Thu, 01 Aug 1996 09:52:20 -0400


Mark Bassett wrote:
> 
> On Tue, 30 Jul 1996 22:56:21 -0400, you wrote:
> 
> >> The former I can do nothing about, but the latter is my business and
> >> yours as we are concerned, and indeed charged with the responsibility
> >> of teaching. If it is nesessary in the course of teaching to remove
> >> what is false and contrary to instill what is true, and we fail to do
> >> so, we have NOT taught.
> >
> >This is an impossibel task for man. No one really knows, unless some new
> >discovery is brought to light. weither the Bible is accurate or not.
> 
> The Bible is accurate.
> 
> >Depending on the spirt to guide us in this disconsernation has resulted
> >in the splitting of the churches into seperate factions.
> 
> It is the failure to depend upon the Spirit to guide and the refusal
> to yeild to the atuhority of scripture.
> 
> >> Matt 16:19  Go ye therefore, and  teach   all   nations , baptizing
> >> them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
> >
> >This is one of the disputed scriptures, that has put many churches at
> >odds with one another. There are implications that it is fact an additon
> >to the Word. A pollution.
> 
> No, this was not added. This scripture is legitimate and genuinely
> from the mouth of Jesus Christ. There is no contest or controvery
> about it, except as suggested when true Bible scholarship fails. Matt
> 28:19 is a very strong witness to the Oneness of God.
> 
> >> > We must not enacte judgement on  our brethern
> >> >because it is fobidden, at great cost to us, for us to do so.
> >>
> >> What is judgement in this context ? Is it not judgement to neglect the
> >> soul that is lost, and the heart that is in bondage?Jesus said Judge not an be ye not judged. There should not be a problem
> >with interpretation. If you give the message of salvation. you have down
> >Your part of the Work of God. Teach if asked Questions. It is Jesus who
> >saves the lost soul..... NOt you or I. We are powerless in this regard.
> 
> Im sorry, the commission is in the manner and form of the Lord Jesus
> Christ. As he was sent, so the people of God are sent. We who are the
> children of God have the authority to bind and loose and to remit sin,
> and to impart understanding (though God alone provides revelation
> attending to the teaching ministry of the church).
> 
> Jesus Christ can and will save no one EXCEPT by the gospel which is
> comitted to the church. Having KEYS comes with responsibility and
> gravity. The answers concerning the power of the church are simple,
> but difficult for the world to comprehend.
> 
> >       Your implications render Jesus Christ as a powerless figure that
> >cannot affect the hearts of men.
> 
> I could not disagree more strongly.
> 
> > If man or the ordainated bodies (churchtes and ministires I assume) were capable of doing the grand job
> >of saving souls, Jesus wouldn't have been crucified on the Cross.
> 
> We preach and teach only Jesus Christ and Him crucified. There is no
> premise at all that we can do anything but what God enables. We do not
> suppose that there is power except as provide through the atonement.
> But when the church is empowered to preach the gospel and reach the
> lost, vain philosophy will not provide excuses for withdrawing from
> the task.
> 
> > In fact, it is because of our lack of understandong of the scriptures that
> >broght God to this point.
> 
> No, it was the separation of God and man, and the love of God that
> desired to bridge that separation that compelled the plan of God for
> our salvation. It was because of His love for fallen man.
> 
> Understanding the word could do nothing for man once he was separated
> from God. That is a gnostic idea condemned by the Apostles.
> 
> >Remember, the Word of God was on  earth before
> >Jesus was born. It was not interpreted properly by the "Ordained" powers
> >that exsited at that time. Jesus is the one who works the miricals. We
> >can only spread the message and prompt people to read His Word. He will
> >do the  rest. If you must work...... tend to the widows in your
> >church.......
> 
> Perhaps I am misreading your tone and misunderstaning your content. I
> will chose not to reply to these remarks.
> 
> >To think that we have the power to save anyone is to take
> >a vain approuch towards the work the Lord has set before us. We are
> >powerless.
> 
> We are powerless ? Does this idea concur wiuth scripture in your
> estimation  ?
> 
> If you dont mind my asking, do you attend an Apostolic church, John ?Yes I do brother. UPC Apostolic. After reading my remarkds and 
considering my  mindset at the time of my writing, I think perhaps, I 
was too scattered in my thinking. I need to consider my  feelings a 
little more in depth....... Peace to you brother......:)