"Why no Trinitarian will be saved"

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Sorry guys, could i interrupt this 'conversation' with some of my
comments... I'm Roy....


At 05:41 AM 8/1/96 GMT, you wrote:
>On Tue, 30 Jul 1996 22:56:21 -0400, you wrote:
>
>
>>> Matt 16:19  Go ye therefore, and  teach   all   nations , baptizing
>>> them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost:
>>
>>This is one of the disputed scriptures, that has put many churches at 
>>odds with one another. There are implications that it is fact an additon 
>>to the Word. A pollution.
>
>No, this was not added. This scripture is legitimate and genuinely
>from the mouth of Jesus Christ. There is no contest or controvery
>about it, except as suggested when true Bible scholarship fails. Matt
>28:19 is a very strong witness to the Oneness of God.
> 

I entirely agree that matt 16:19 is not added to the Bible... first it does
not negate the existence of one God... If you note , it says baptise in
the"name" and not "names" of the Father , Son and Holy Spirit. Who is the
name of the "Father, Son and Holy Spirit."
In Isaiah 9 : 6 , we are told that Jesus is the Father ; WE know Jesus as
the Son and the spirit of Christ as the Holy sPirit... there is no
contradiction and it does not support the triniatrian view... Moreover, the
word trinity is never used in the bible... the word "trinity" in other words
is an addition to the bible... because "HEar O Israel, thy Lord is one God."
If any man preach unto you another gospel, be he angel or man, let him be
accursed : this is how serious dopctrine is, especially when it pertains to
the nature of God...

In Col2 :8-10 : it says the fulness of the Godhead is in Jesus Christ, and
not that Jesus is in or part of the Godhead... not that Jesus is 1/3 or 1/6
of the Godhead but that He is the Godhead himself.... and we know that God
does not share His glory with another

God's sonship began with Jesus..... HE claimed that he was the great I Am
and that was why he was stoned by the JEws...

Only God can claim to be able to forgive. Yet Jesus forgave...






>>> > We must not enacte judgement on  our brethern
>>> >because it is fobidden, at great cost to us, for us to do so.
>>> 
>>> What is judgement in this context ? Is it not judgement to neglect the
>>> soul that is lost, and the heart that is in bondage?Jesus said Judge not
an be ye not judged. There should not be a problem 
>>with interpretation. If you give the message of salvation. you have down 
>>Your part of the Work of God. Teach if asked Questions. It is Jesus who 
>>saves the lost soul..... NOt you or I. We are powerless in this regard.
>

I must say that i would not want the repsonsibility of making the statement
that no trinitarians will be saved... because we cannot judge the hearts and
intents of man... only God can... I believe if we are presented with the
opporrunity to know GOd's true nature , then we cannot be exempted or
excused for not knowing the truth or at least seraching the scriptures for
yourself and asking God to reveal Himself to you./... that is our basic
responsibility... that we study to show ourselves approved as workmen of
God.... right..... but Let the Word convict..



>
>Jesus Christ can and will save no one EXCEPT by the gospel which is
>comitted to the church. Having KEYS comes with responsibility and
>gravity. The answers concerning the power of the church are simple,
>but difficult for the world to comprehend.
>
>

Yes, we do have the "keys" so to speak... but the originator is God; we by
ourselves can do nothing... Only God can... we have to come to this
realisation that we are nothing without God... we can't even desire God
without God.... but once we realise that we have been purchased with a high
price, then it is when we realise that we are something worthwhile unto God
and we are made righteousnss with Him..


>We preach and teach only Jesus Christ and Him crucified. There is no
>premise at all that we can do anything but what God enables. We do not
>suppose that there is power except as provide through the atonement.
>But when the church is empowered to preach the gospel and reach the
>lost, vain philosophy will not provide excuses for withdrawing from
>the task. 
>

Our repsonsibility as Christians is only to know Christ and make Christ known...


>> In fact, it is because of our lack of understandong of the scriptures that 
>>broght God to this point. 
>

If Christianity is limited it is because man has made it such.... it does
not negate the gfact that God is still soveriegn and all powerful..


Regards,

Roy Gan
roy gan@pacific.net.sg

If there are any comments as to what I wrote pls forward it to me
individually. Thanks..