Rings with a twist

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> the beard started out as a rebellious thing.

Beards have been around for millenia.  Who knows how they started out?

> Look at men in the work place.  

Okay....

[looking around the office]

There's a few people who wear beards, including my direct supervisor.
He was a little wild in his younger days, but now he's a member of the
establishment: drives a brand-new Jeep Cherokee, wears decent clothes,
doesn't cuss, has short hair, bathes regularly, doesn't smoke, tips
well, even supported and worked on the campaign of the (atheist)
conservative City of Champaign mayoral candidate.  Not a rebellious
type of guy at all.

I'm not sure what the work place has to do with holiness.  Here at
Central Data, half the people wear shorts, almost everyone uses vulgar
language, only a very few attend a church of any type...

> ...when you are in the
> armed forces, they want you to look clean cut and at your
> best.  This means no facial hair, etc.

The (U.S.) military tradition of shaved head and no facial hair started
out because of serious lice problems in the trench warfare of the Civil
War and WWI.  The Navy has pretty much always allowed facial hair.  The
Air Force currently allows facial hair (last I saw, anyway).  The
practices of other nations' military forces will, of course, vary.

Though again, I wonder what military tradition has to do with the
practice of the church...

> If your pastor preaches against a beard, facial hair, etc and
> you go and grow one anyways, isnt this being rebellious?

We weren't talking about rebellion against the pastor, we were
discussing facial hair.  Bro Tyler explicitly stated that he was
not in rebellion against his pastor.

Richard M.