Facial hair (was Re: Rings with a twist)

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On Wed, 7 Aug 1996, richardm@cd.com (Richard Masoner) wrote:
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>> the beard started out as a rebellious thing.
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It did?  That's why Jesus wore one?

>Beards have been around for millenia.  Who knows how they started out?
I'm guessing that they started out from a lack of shaving. =)

>> Look at men in the work place.  
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>Okay....
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>[looking around the office]
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>There's a few people who wear beards, including my direct supervisor.
>He was a little wild in his younger days, but now he's a member of the
>establishment: drives a brand-new Jeep Cherokee, wears decent clothes,
>doesn't cuss, has short hair, bathes regularly, doesn't smoke, tips
>well, even supported and worked on the campaign of the (atheist)
>conservative City of Champaign mayoral candidate.  Not a rebellious
>type of guy at all.
>I'm not sure what the work place has to do with holiness.  Here at
>Central Data, half the people wear shorts, almost everyone uses vulgar
>language, only a very few attend a church of any type...
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I live in Seattle, and work for CompuServe.  We have our share of goatees, 
shaved heads, bad haircuts (including my boss, who looks like bozo the 
clown-- although unintentionally), and shorts. 

>> ...when you are in the
>> armed forces, they want you to look clean cut and at your
>> best.  This means no facial hair, etc.
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>The (U.S.) military tradition of shaved head and no facial hair started
>out because of serious lice problems in the trench warfare of the Civil
>War and WWI.  The Navy has pretty much always allowed facial hair.  The
>Air Force currently allows facial hair (last I saw, anyway).  The
>practices of other nations' military forces will, of course, vary.
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Aha!  Military tradition (one of my interests).

In the navy, it is acceptable to wear a beard in certaing instances.
In the army and air force, it is acceptable to wear a mustache.
I don't know about the Marines, who cares about a bunch of jar heads?  =)

Anyhow, what I was getting to:  it used to be military regulation that your 
hair had to be *longer* than a certain length!  Take a look at George 
Washington-- notice the pony tail?!?!

>Though again, I wonder what military tradition has to do with the
>practice of the church...
Uh. yeah.  I had to fight the military so that I could dress modestly.

>> If your pastor preaches against a beard, facial hair, etc and
>> you go and grow one anyways, isnt this being rebellious?

>We weren't talking about rebellion against the pastor, we were
>discussing facial hair.  Bro Tyler explicitly stated that he was
>not in rebellion against his pastor.
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>Richard M.
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