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Dave wrote:
I read in Proverbs 16:7:
When a man's ways please the LORD, he maketh even his enemies to be at
peace with him.

I have known of individuals from the Oneness position advertise in their 
local papers challenging Trinitarians to debate. In your comment above, you 
do acknowledge that they "dislike" what we stand for. Well, the same is true 
for Oneness...they strongly dislike what they, the Trinitarians believe. So 
what's the difference besides theology?
Why can't we just accept the fact that Trinitarians disagree with
Oneness and Oneness disagree with Trinitarians without accusing one
another of hating? There is nothing wrong with disagreeing. Maybe they
don't understand something as you or I. And by the way, I have known of 
Trinitarians who have written songs about the name of Jesus. They love the 
name of Jesus. It's wrong to accuse them of not loving the name of Jesus. 
Though one may disagree strongly with the others point of view, let us never 
be guilty of misrepresenting the others we may disagree with doctrinally 
lest we are guilty of bearing false witness.

I say:

<<If we would challenge any church here in Germany in a local newspaper, I 
doubt they would even print it, they'd laugh us clear all the way home. Now 
first of all, brother, I know that some of the Oneness people go overboard, 
with being zealous and they don't treat those that are not of like faith 
wisely. :) The bible says he that winneth souls is wise...and it also tells 
us to be wise as a serpent but gentle as a dove. You can't come like the 
proverbial bull into the porcellain shop (in Germany it is an 
elephant...hehe) and tear down everything people believe, forcing them to 
take on what you believe. Thank God we have passed that period by about 300 
years. Well, as far as the hate goes...may I remind you of the inquisition? 
How many Godfearing and truth-loving people died because of the "hate and 
contempt" that the catholic church has for them, just cause they didn't fit 
into their mold of what Christianity should be? But I suppose that was back 
then and we are living NOW. We are living in a world that loves to be 
united....lets put aside our differences and just love each other...:). I 
say, though, if they could they would still burn us at the stake. Did you 
know that many wars started because of religious reasons? And when you watch 
people talk...do the Trinitarians say....oh...it doesn't matter what you 
believe, we all go to heaven anyway? And do you tell them, brother I love 
you and I see you in heaven? Beware of that attitude. What has light to do 
with darkness? I treat Trinitarians with love and respect, but I do not and 
cannot condone what they believe, cause in what they believe they drag 
millions to hell with them....and the devil smiles and rubs his hands. Over 
here we are called a cult and a sect. The Catholic and the Lutheran churches 
have special people appointed to warn the good citizens of Germany against 
the "evil sects" and so on. Brother, let me tell you something...we are in a 
war...and consequently in a war there are 2 fronts...(maybe this is putting 
it a bit strong, but that is what it is)...you know the devil laughs if we 
say...all it is is doctrine against doctrine....because it is more than 
that...it is...truth against a lie. If we love truth and not hate 
untruth...does that not make us lukewarm. Does hating untruth mean that I 
hate the person. Of course not. If we are to be Christ-like, we must hate 
sin and love the sinner. Do they hate us...like I said before, contempt, 
pitty and a condecending attitude is probably more like it. They have the 
quantity of people...whereas we have the quality of truth....what is more 
important? Who was it that said (I think Billy Graham): I know you Oneness 
people have the truth....but I have the numbers (of people). Strong 
statement, don't you think? This man knowingly is probably dragging 
thousands to hell with him. And you say it is just doctrine against 
doctrine? Yes you are right, it is wrong to accuse...but it is also wrong to 
just sit by and say...oh, well they just don't understand...and watch as 
they spread half-truths. Bible says: He that knows to do good and does it 
not it is sin unto him. I don't think that has anything to do with hate...it 
is more like having a responsibility to show them a better way, instead of 
just sitting by watching. Those that know me through IRC know that I am very 
laid back. I never argue baptism or Godhead when I am in #bible and I am 
being challenged by them, I see no need to, cause you can't do nothing to 
change their mind anyway, they just want to argue, that's all. But if 
someone asks me, I will give them an answer, and sometimes, the spirits that 
jump at me by the words of some of those that are sitting by are much less 
than friendly, trust me. As I have said before...I been called heretic, and 
so on and so forth, my own brother used to joke about it that 300 years ago 
they would have burned me at the stake for being a heretic, and that I 
should go and collect the fire-wood for the stake. :) I don't really think 
you can call that genuine Christian love on their part. Have I ever called 
anyone a heretic, no, I haven't. Have I ever said to anyone that he is going 
to hell cause he is a trinitarian, no, cause that is one thing that I will 
never say to anyone, cause it is not up to me but up to God to judge. I tell 
them things like...we all must work out our own salvation in fear and 
trembling and I tell them, you go on believing what you want and I believe 
what I want, cause in the end, when we stand before God...according to what 
you tell me, I'm saved anyway and then we'll see who is right and who is 
wrong. :) I don't hate them for what they believe, I feel pain and pitty for 
them, cause of the lie they have decided to follow.

I tell you what it all boils down to:

2Th2:9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power 
and signs and lying wonders,
2Th2:10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; 
because they RECEIVED NOT THE LOVE OF THE TRUTH, that they might be saved.
2Th2:11 And for this cause God shall send them STRONG DELUSION, that they 
should BELIEVE A LIE:
2Th2:12 That they all might be DAMNED WHO BELIEVED NOT THE TRUTH, but had 
PLEASURE IN UNRIGHTEOUSNESS.

What did you say?

"So what's the difference besides theology? Why can't we just accept the 
fact that Trinitarians disagree with Oneness and Oneness disagree with 
Trinitarians without accusing one another of hating? There is nothing wrong 
with disagreeing."

my answer: The diffrence is....2Th. 2:9-12.

God bless
Sis. Doris




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