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When John the Baptist, a man never ordained by any other man, came preaching
God's truth to His people, the priest's, the religious leaders of the true
church at that time, their first and majority response, was to violently
reject him- though he only brought them a message of truth.

Same with Jesus Christ. Same when Martin Luther nailed his thesis to the
door of the Catholic church. Same when Bro. Parham first brought the message
of the gift of the Holy Ghost with tongues. Same with Bro. Seymour, a black
preacher, whom Parham became jealous over. Same with Bro. Durham, when he
brought out the message of the finished work of Calvary, Bro. Seymour locked
him out of the Azusa street mission. Same with the Oneness message, when
Bro. McAlister brought to us the precious message of baptism in Jesus name-
he was sorely rejected by the Trinitarian ministers of his day.

Every single time, the old traditions had to die, and they did not give up
peaceably. The persecutions always came FROM THE MINISTRY of the old
traditions, who were unwilling to let go of those traditions in order to
embrace God's higher call.

Were any of these men's original intentions to bring strife and contention
into Christ's Body?

Heb 12:26 "Whose voice then shook the earth: but now he hath promised,
saying, Yet once more I shake not the earth only, but also heaven. 27 And
this word, Yet once more, signifieth the removing of those things that are
shaken, as of things that are made, that those things which cannot be shaken
may remain."

But, it is true, there have been messages brought out the same way that were
false doctrines. The point being, we must all decide for ourselves the merit
of the message based on the message, not the outward appearance of whom the
message comes from (remember Balaam and his donkey?), Nor should we expect
that leaders following old traditions will always readily embrace new
truths- because most of them, it's a historically PROVEN FACT, will reject
it, and that violently, and that usually with false witness.

Please my brethren, don't lock me out before you at least consider the
message. And if you are God's people, He will give you discernment to
recognize the difference between truth and error and provide you with the
scriptures to combat it, WILL HE NOT?

Please my brethren, don't lock me out before at least considering the message.

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Bro. Basset, now where is your accusation-

"It often amazes me to realize that people really do believe that the UPCI
and other organizations teach holiness standards and principle of order
without ANY comprehension of the scripture. But it is MORE amazing that they
very often make these accusations without really knowing WHAT we teach, and
evidently have acquired their understanding from rumor, myth, legend, or
some very narrow observation on one or two examples. -Mwb"

Should those in hearing the words of Martin Luther, Charles Parham, W.
Seymour, Bro. McAlister have BLINDLY FOLLOWED THE LEAD of the traditions of
their respective "organizations" or not? Do not the Catholic priests make
these same claims of yours to this very day? The same with the Trinitarians,
etc., etc.?

If you want to challenge me on this, PLEASE, I BESEECH THEE, provide sound
scriptural support, rather than your personal opinions, after the same
manner of the Catholics, and other Trinitarians.

Even angels know better than to bring railing accusations against those
contrary to the truth...

2Pe 2:11 Whereas angels, which are greater in power and might, bring not
railing accusation against them before the Lord.

Heb 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any
twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit,
and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents
of the heart.

Tit 1:9 Holding fast the faithful word as he hath been taught, that he may
be able by sound doctrine both to exhort and to convince the gainsayers.

2Ti 4:2 Preach the word; be instant in season, out of season; reprove,
rebuke, exhort with all longsuffering and doctrine. 3 For the time will come
when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall
they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4 And they shall turn
away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables.

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Now to Bro. Masoner...

Would then, according to your interpretation of Acts 1:22-26, the apostle
Paul should not have been able to be an apostle?

1Co 15:8 And last of all he was seen of me also, as of one born out of due
time. 9 For I am the least of the apostles, that am not meet to be called an
apostle, because I persecuted the church of God.

1Co 9:1 Am I not an apostle? am I not free? have I not seen Jesus Christ our
Lord? are not ye my work in the Lord? 2 If I be not an apostle unto others,
yet doubtless I am to you: for the seal of mine apostleship are ye in the Lord.

Is what WAS POSSIBLE with God yesterday IMPOSSIBLE with God today?

Mat 19:26 But Jesus beheld them, and said unto them, With men this is
impossible; but with God all things are possible.

The scripture CLEARLY SAYS-

Eph 4:11 "And he gave some, APOSTLES; and some, prophets; and some,
evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers 12 For the perfecting of the
saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of
Christ: 13 TILL we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge
of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of
the fulness of Christ:

To show I'm not reading this word "TILL" (Strong's #3360) out of context,
following are some other examples of the same word...

Mat 11:23 would have remained [until 3360] this day.
Mat 13:30 both grow together [until 3360] the harvest: and in the time of
Mat 28:15 among the Jews [until 3360] this day.
Mar 13:30 shall not pass, [till 3360] all these things be done.
Act 10:30 I was fasting [until 3360] this hour; and at the ninth hour I
Act 20:7 continued his speech [until 3360] midnight.
Eph 4:13 [Till 3360] we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge
1Ti 6:14 without spot, unrebukeable, [until 3360] the appearing of our Lord
Heb 9:10 imposed on them [until 3360] the time of reformation.

The scripture ALSO CLEARLY SAYS-

1Co 12:28 "And God hath set some in the church, first apostles, secondarily
prophets, thirdly teachers, after that miracles, then gifts of healings,
helps, governments, diversities of tongues."

So, even if there are to be no more apostles, what scriptures can you
provide that give any church or man-made organization the authority to
change the God-ordained hierarchy of "prophets, evangelists, pastors,
teachers, miracles, healings, and helps, by putting "governments" above them
in power and authority?

THIS IS THE ISSUE!!! 

Lacking apostles, are there then also NO prophets, evangelists, pastors, and
teachers etc in Christ's Church to take over in their stead? Has Christ's
church backslid so far as a body that we have no more greater callings than
"governments and diversities of tongues"? Then shame on us!

LISTEN PLEASE- IT ULTIMATELY DOESN'T EVEN MATTER TO ME IF GOD DOESN'T
RESTORE APOSTLES TO THE CHURCH- that's HIS business!!! I just want to go out
of this world KNOWING that I did everything I could to line myself, and
Christ's church, up to HIS word, without adding to or taking away. Like
Charles Parham, the father of the latter rain Pentecostal movement said-

"I believed our experience would TALLY EXACTLY WITH THE BIBLE... Having
heard so many different bodies claim different proofs... I set the students
at work studying out diligently... THAT WE MIGHT GO BEFORE THE WORLD WITH
SOMETHING THAT WAS INDISPUTABLE BECAUSE IT TALLIED ABSOLUTELY WITH THE
WORD." -The Early Pentecostal Movement" pg 45, J. L. Tyson, WAP.

What could Christ possibly find to be so evil in that?

Bro. Masoner, your single passage of scripture appears to me only as a form
of subterfuge, and IGNORES MY QUESTIONS to you. Please don't do such any more.

2Co 13:1 "... In the mouth of two or three witnesses shall every word be
established.

1Pe 3:15 "...and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh
you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:

I am not a babe in the word of God. If you have questions about this
message, please ask me, and I will gladly share my thoughts, and the
scriptures on which I base them.

But, I'm afraid YOU still need to answer  SCRIPTURALLY all the other
questions I posed to you at the first-

"Instead of seeking God to anoint some apostles, ETC. they set up
organizations in which the leaders were ELECTED by men, and that can be set
in, and out, by the elections of men also! So where's God's say in all this?
Where does God's word authorize these man-made organizations????" 

"What happened to- Rom 11:29 "The gifts and calling of God are without
repentance." So how does one "lose" a pastorship, or ordination by not
paying dues to a man-made organization?"

"Do you see where "GOVERNMENTS" is listed in priority? One step up from
tongues in importance. And yet all these man-made denominations RULE over
the saints CONTRARY to God's hierarchy, DO THEY NOT???  I am asking you here
honestly- I don't know, I've never been under man-made hierarchies that were
placed OVER the ministers. How does it feel??? Please don't get insulted by
this, I'm asking you an honest question."

"NATURAL"??? "Each mind was questioning itself"???? The "ELECTION of
officers"? What happened to God's ordination process? Whatever happened to
seeking God for His perfect will???? That's what SHOULD HAVE happened, but
they sought their NATURAL MINDS instead!!!!"

"Please show me the calling of "General Superintendent" in the Bible!! Is
this the "pope" of the UPC?? :-) No offence, just curious. Or where were any
of the "officers" of the New Testament ever "elected"???"

"And if they're NOT in the Bible, where is any God given authority for them
to take leadership over GOD'S people, or more specifically- OVER the
apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors, and teachers?"

"Deu 4:2 "Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall
ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD
your God which I command you."

"Rev 22:18 "For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the
prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add
unto him the plagues that are written in this book. 19 And if any man shall
take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away
his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the
things which are written in this book."

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Why are you so quick to denounce this? Did not one of your own first pose
the question to non-UPC'ers on the matter of Oneness among us, of which
(non-UPC) I am? Why then are you so quick to refute it, and where are your
scriptures in support of yourselves? If you have them, quote them, and be
done with it!

Are ANY of these questions so hard that true men of God, as you all claim to
be, can't give sound scriptural answers in defense of your stand? Are
railing accusations becoming of God's people?

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Now, the fact of the matter is, some of the early Oneness Pentecostals
expected ALL these Callings to be restored to the church, and were QUITE
PROUD of the fact that God had BROUGHT THEM OUT of man-made denominations.
As YOUR OWN BOOKS TESTIFY!!!

These facts are published, and distributed in literature directly from the
Word Aflame Press...

In a letter from John G. Lake to Charles Parham, 1927, quoted in "The Early
Pentecostal Revival" pages 82-85, by James Tyson, published by Word Aflame
Press...

"The spirit of denominationalism in the Assemblies of God is probably
narrower than even in the old churches from which Pentecostal people have
been escaping for the last thirty years.... With the quiet and semi-rest...
there has come an expanding vision, and a profound conviction that somehow
if this is the real Pentecost there must come out of it eventually the thing
that Pentecost produced in the early church, and that was the real body of
Jesus Christ. Not 'a' church, but 'the' church; NOT AN ORGANIZATION, but THE
REAL ORGANISM THAT WE HAVE ALWAYS RECOGNIZED; NOT AN ECCLESIASTICISM, NOR A
DICTATORSHIP, NOR A BUREAUCRACY, but a group of Holy Ghost baptized souls in
which is manifest the life of the Lord... 

"MAYBE GOD HAS CHANGED HIS MIND. Perhaps the church of Jesus Christ is not a
church anymore- just a mob. PROBABLY PAUL WAS MISTAKEN WHEN HE GAVE US THE
CHURCH OUTLINE IN THE TWELFTH CHAPTER OF CORINTHIANS. HOWEVER, **I CANNOT
THINK SO**...

"It seems to me that THE TEST AS TO WHETHER THIS IS REAL PENTECOST OR NOT is
in the fact that if it is, THROUGH IT MUST BE DEVELOPED THE CHURCH OF JESUS
CHRIST. Not only as a scattered, one here, one there, unknown to each other,
invisible, unrecognized and unauthoritative body, whose names are written in
heaven, BUT A HOLY GHOST-UNITED, authoritative, and GOD-CONTROLLED AND
GOD-DIRECTED and God-empowered body, through whom God could meet the
challenge of Rome and hell and anti-Christ and every other institution of
the devil that the latter days bring forth."

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In the same book, pages 106-107 from A. G. Osterberg's testimony...

"God's word states that He will pour out His spirit upon all flesh. THERE
ARE NO DENOMINATIONAL BOUNDARIES, LINES AND LABELS, PERSONAL AND NATIONAL
AMBITIONS, and bickering- the sooner we humble ourselves to fit in wherever
the plan of God can use us- the sooner we shall be able to bring back the king!"

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Now, do you still want to continue to persecute and chastise me for holding
to beliefs that YOUR VERY OWN ORGANIZATION BOASTS OF, AND PUBLISHES TO THIS
DAY, BUT SEEMINGLY DOES NOT PRACTICE???

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Please, I beg of you, humbly before God- offer me the scriptures that
declare, state, and support your stand in answer of the questions I've asked
of you, I beg of you, AND I'LL JOIN YOUR ORGANIZATION TOMORROW! THAT'S A
PROMISE!

But until then, I've got standards too. And they say- don't add to or take
away from the word of God.

Therefore, my hands are tied. I cannot serve two masters. There is only one
banner I see in the scriptures that we are to rally behind, and around, and
pledge allegiance to. Is this wrong to you too? Or did the UPC ever die for
you? 

I have ONE master, He's the one who bought me with a great price, and His
name is one-

Jesus!
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                      May God Bless you! From Tom Raddatz
                   http://www.corecom.net/~tomrpp/watchman.htm

"That I may know him;... Not as though I had already attained, either were
already perfect:... I count NOT myself to have apprehended:... I press
toward the mark for the prize..." -Phil. 3:10-14. 
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