Christmas - To be or not to be ???

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I have brought facts before you, not lies and the moral laws of men. I 
understand that people have there own self- convictions
 I do not consider myself to be judging others
>or self-righteous when I show others what has been shown to me.

    You say you have brought facts but have you checked into the 
history? I think the "fact" that the pagen holiday and the christian 
celebration may still be confusing you a bit. This is the 3rd time I've 
posted this and I'm still wondering if you have seen it.??  I am not 
trying to justify anything. I too have many "convictions" about 
holidays. I'll just tell you out-right, I haven't had a christmas tree 
in years because of a scripture in Jeremiah (I believe). I don't expect 
everyone else to do the same. If God shows them (or their pastor) then 
yes, they should submit.  



>women consider wearing pants the norm, even Christian women, and even 
>if you told them its may not be Gods will that they wear pants, they 
>might consider you to be judging them and being self-righteous

    I don't believe it is my place to tell them. (Oh my, what did I 
say? Now the whole world of UPC is going to post to HF tee-hee!)  I 
believe it is my place to tell them the plan of salvation but I leave 
the pastoring to the pastor. If a person does something because they're 
told to, and not because it's in their hear to do it, then they're 
doing it for the wrong reason anyway. If they do it because it is in 
their heart to do right, "that is the right reason". People respond to 
love very well. When a thing is pushed on them, they tend to resent it. 
It's wonderful when God speaks to a heart and they respond!
    I do believe that convictions are good regarding the easter bunny 
or santa or elves,  but when we celebrate "Jesus" and "His birth, 
death, and resurrection", we celebrate a great thing and I "do" believe 
the Lord is "pleased" with that. 
    I do apologize if I have come on a little strong but I do feel 
strongly about this one. I've been made to feel guilty by others when 
if it was wrong it should have been a check of the holyghost. It was 
good for me though since it caused me to study the issue.  That is why 
Higher-Fire is good, it causes us to study out some things that we may 
not agree on. 
    God bless you all!!!
    Laurie Gibson  =)