About this "big bang" thing (long winded)

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Richard Masoner wrote:
> 
> Should we take this off list?
 
Don't know, someone asked what questions to ask school teachers(12th
grade and below, I assumed) about the Big Bang.  I would guess that we
have went well beyond the ability of most science teachers already. 
Your the moderator(taking the easy way out) you decide;) ask the list or
what ever. I don't get the chance to go through these topics like this
very often.  The brain is rusty.


> Very good response there.

Thank you
 
> Have you ever pulled the plug on a bathtub, BTW?  Even if my son is in
> the tub splashing with all his might, there's a nice,
> structured-looking whirlpool right where drain is at.

Yes, I've pulled the plug.  For your tub. the water in the tub is low
entropy(potential energy) then the plug is pulled, causing the water to
fall(kinetic energy) this expends the P.E. increasing entropy.  So while
the whirlpool maybe nice and structured the entropy is still increasing.

> >  since light (the
> > currently accepted speed limit and one of the lightest objects) cann't
> > travel fast enough to exit a black hole, how am I supposed to believe an
> > explosion blew objects many times heavier FASTER than light?
> 
> Light and other heavier particles were created somewhat after the Big
> Bang.

Uh, isn't the Big Bang how all matter(it had to have some mass or it was
nothing) moved initally?  So wouldn't the conlusion be that particles
were created at the Big Bang not after?  Granted the particles may have
been sub-atomic(a whole other can of worms), but they had some mass.

> > I may have used an improper term, elements and compounds would be a more
> > accurate choice.  At a given point from the center of the blast, similar
> > distributions of elements should be found.  Our little piece of the

> > universe has little argon, neon,  and such; but an abundance of water,
> > oxygen, nitrogen, carbon dioxide.
> 
> Very true.  This is thought to be caused by localized "eddies" in
> space.  While on large scales the universe is uniform, we do have
> things like galaxies and dust clouds and such.  You are correct, BTW,
> that this presents a conundrum for cosmologists.   They call this "The
> Grand Challenge."

That's the point of these questions anyway, so why are you trying to
teach this as fact with no alternatives such as creation?

> 
> The National Center for Supercomputing Applications here in Champaign
> has a "Cave," where researchers do simulation and visualization work on
> how the galaxies and other large structures formed.  There's some
> pretty nifty stuff that your tax dollars are buying.  You can see some
> pictures at:
>   http://zeus.ncsa.uiuc.edu:8080/chdm_script.html

Use to get all kinds of neat what's happening info emails when I was at
the Oak Ridge Nationl Lab.

> > Since mass increases as light speed is approached, and gravitational
> > force was Approx infinit (see 5 & 6), then kinetic energy would also be
> > near infinity ke = 1/2 mv^2.   With momentum near inifinity how long
> > would it take to slow the universe down enough to allow the galaxies to
> > form?
> 
> A really long time.  That's why "they" say the Universe is 50-60 Billion
> years old.

Which isn't long enough for evolution(which also violates the 2nd law of
therm and Darwin didn't believe) to take place by random chance anyhow
much less form the universe, cool to habitable levels, accidently start
life, then change into the 200,000+ separte species of life here on
earth.  I saw an estimate of the genetic differances between the species
with a calculation for random chance to produce them from scratch with
multiple simultanious mutations.  Trillions of years.
 
> One of the cooler theories I've seen is one postulating that we are in
> a "fractal" universe, that galaxies themselves are parts of even larger
> spiral structures (which have been observed), which themselves are part
> of even larger structures, which themselves are part of a huge,
> universal mega-structure.  Cosmic, dude.

Where's the link!! If you mention stuff like this give either the link,
paper, book, or some way to find it!!!!

Skip

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In the begining God said BANG! and it was BIG