tithes in Gen

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> (Lynne)
> You are overlooking the fact that Gen. 14:20 in the Interlinear says
> tithe.  This is a literal translation of the Hebrew manuscripts.  It is
> the exact same Hebrew word that is almost invariably used for tithes in
> the Old Testament.  Look in an Interlinear Bible or in Strong's
> Exhaustive Concordance. 
> 
	[Hanson, Bruce]  
	I believe my post gave three references showing the correct word was
tenth. One of those references was an interlinear Bible. It is also
interesting that when Hebrews 7 references this incident it uses the word
tenth also.
> (Lynne)
> The real key here is that " Who also hath made us able ministers of the
> New Testament: not of the letter, but of the Spirit: for the letter
> killeth but the Spirit giveth life." 2 Cor. 3:7  I VOLUNTARILY repented.
> I was VOLUNTARILY baptized.  I VOLUNTARILY received the Holy Ghost.  I
> VOLUNTARILY go to church.  I VOLUNTARILY pay my tithes. 
> 
	[Hanson, Bruce]  
	I am glade you give 10% voluntarily. This is what I would like to
see. The individual makes up their mind to do as they see fit in giving.
But, is your attitude to give it voluntarily so God or the Ministry won't
"get" me? If I could erase all you have been taught concerning tithe would
you still give it? If so, God will bless you! If you give it so you are not
"robbing God", then I believe you have been mislead.
> " Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid. Yea, we
> establish the law." Romans 3:31.
> 
> The spirit of the law should be established in our hearts without 
> someone standing over us with a stick.  
> 
	[Hanson, Bruce]  I would hope you also read Galatians when you
establish the law you wish to be under. I would submit to you that the law
to establish is not the Livitical law, but Gods original "law and covenant"
,to use an inconsistent phrase, established at creation. 
> " But we know that the law is good, if a man use it lawfully; knowing
> this, that the law is not made for a righteous man, but for the lawless
> and disobedient, for the ungodly and for sinners...." 1 Tim. 1:9
> 
> What?!  The law is good? That is what Paul said.  
	[Hanson, Bruce]  
	If it is used lawfully! You are under grace. Can you use the law
lawfully under grace? Also, the law is not for the righteous? Are you not
righteous in the sight of God? I'd hope you are, in fact I believe you are!
The law is not for you!
> We fulfill the law
> because of love and not because of a carnal commandment. 
	[Hanson, Bruce]  
	The law is fulfilled by Christ - not you or me.

> .  We have a new covenant
> of God's law's being put into our heart.  
> 
	[Hanson, Bruce]  
	What is that law? Can you list it for me? In your mind, is it a
repeat of the OT Law or something else? Is it just tithes?
> Paying tithes:  AWWW!  Do we HAVE to?  As for me,  You won't see me 
> not paying tithes. "Shew me thy faith without thy works and I'll shew
> thee my faith by my works."
> 
	[Hanson, Bruce]  
	I can see you are proud of the fact that you pay tithes and believe
it shows your faith. I am happy you are. But, what about someone who isn't
in agreement with you? Would you require a tithe of a single mothers food
stamps? You say that is hypothetical? No it isn't, I know of churches where
this happens. The pastor requires it even though the US law says it is
illegal. How does that mesh with what Christ said? Where is the compassion
part of this law? What of the pastor who buys a Lincoln Town car new every
year with the tithe he requires of his congregation because they are "his"
while there are those in his congregation on welfare? This is the ultimate
end of bringing the levitical law forward into the NT without the checks and
balances of that law. It is called abuse of the saints. If you want that
law, take it all.I am content to live in the NT grace of Christ.

	by the way Lynne, I have enjoyed this exchange. May God bless you
and your study with wisdom and knowledge. 

	Bruce Hanson
	bruce.hanson@lmco.com