Nestorianism

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From: Matthew Shaw <mshaw@teleplex.bsu.edu>
To: higher-fire@prairienet.org <higher-fire@prairienet.org>
Date: Wednesday, October 14, 1998 12:27 PM
Subject: Re: Nestorianism


>
>Praise the Lord :

          Let me say this,Jesus wasnt carnally minded in which ,the bible
says MANS heart is on Evil continually.So being that he wasnt  person of
Fleshly being but HE is GOD manifested in Flesh.That as the SONSHIP is
concern he was Totally Spiritual ,so thus fullfilling the bible that GOD is
a Spirit,Jesus was just that Spiritual.Humanity is Flawed and sinfull needs
salvation a saviour.Jesus was FULLY Spirit in his sonship as being sinless
and spiritual.SOUL being GOD .food for thought.

Kenneth Wilson<NY>
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>>Brother Shaw-
>>Isn't that the same as saying there are two god's?
>
>[Matthew]:
>Not really.  Nestorians believed that they were maintaining the singularity
>of the Godhead.  They believed only the Spirit was God, and they believed
>that Jesus Christ was a willing servant of that Spirit.  Make sense?  I
know
>it's a little strange=)
>
>[Sis. Rachel]:
>Because God is a
>>Spirit and therefore cannot be a "person". I think that gets into the
>>whole arguement about who was Jesus praying to in the garden and all of
>>that. I really believe that as much as we have a revelation of who Jesus
>>is there are still aspects of the Godhead that we cannot and will not
>>understand because if we understood everything now, we could say that we
>>have arrived! And God would be on our human level and no longer be GOD!
>
>[Matthew]:
>Sis. Rachel, again, not to be contentious, but I think we can *understand*
>the Godhead.  Of course, we will never apprehend all that is God or
>understand His infinite ways, but I believe that we can, from the
Scripture,
>make solid-rock conclusions about His identity and Incarnation.  The
mystery
>of the Godhead is not the revelation but the fact that He came in the flesh
>(I Tm. 3.16).
>
>Concerning Gethsemane, the Oneness perspective is that Jesus prayed as a
>real man, suffered as a real man and was supplicating to the deity that was
>the Father.   We can make no other explanation.  We understand the dual
>nature of Christ as God and man.  We also appropriate certain actions and
>words of Christ to each respective nature.
>
>Naturally, when praying, He must pray as a man, because God, by definition,
>cannot pray.  The fact that Christ struggles with the ordeal that was
before
>Him evidences that He had a human will that was in conflict with the
>spiritual will resident in Himself.
>
>May God bless you with all blessings.
>
>Bro. Matthew
>