Nestorianism (Dual natures)

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From: Dunemus@aol.com <Dunemus@aol.com>
To: higher-fire@prairienet.org <higher-fire@prairienet.org>
Date: Saturday, October 17, 1998 10:44 AM
Subject: Nestorianism (Dual natures)


>In a message dated 10/16/98 3:50:47 PM Pacific Daylight Time,
>mshaw@teleplex.bsu.edu writes:
>
><< According to Jesus himself ,he was before abraham and thus in true
> >reality the sonship did begin in the foundations of the world.He was
there
> >as the word. >>
>Once again we run into a conflict.  The flesh was not back there before
Adam.
>Only the divine nature of Christ could make this statement.  Therefore when
he
>was making this statement,  He was speaking as God the Father.  At another
>time we find out that he was a son of Abraham.  That could only be true of
>Jesus in his manhood.  The sonship did not pre exist the incarnation.  But
the
>plan for the sonship did already exist in the mind of God.
>     This is another reason why I believe in the dual natures of the one
God.
>Which is Christ Jesus the Lord.  How else can you explain some of the
>differences between Jesus the man and Jesus the Spirit.  The Son didn't
know
>things that the Father did.  The Son was always inferior and submissive to
the
>Father.  The Son could be tempted,  but the Father could not.  And then,
the
>Father seems to have already departed from the flesh ("why hast thou
forsaken
>me").  And then he dies ("It is finished.").  At this point the human
spirit
>of life was given up.
>     To me,  some of these things (plus a host of other things)  are
>unexplainable unless the Son had it's own mind,  will,  and possibly his
own
>human spirit.  There is certainly no argument that His divine Spirit is
none
>other than God the Father.
>
>I conclude
>-The Son did not preexist the incarnation


The Son refers to a manifestation of God. The very Spirit of God indwelt the
man. The real you is your spirit. The soul is your personality. This is what
makes u as an individual. Read in the old coenant where Abraham is dining
with the Lord and two of his angels and prohecies of Issac or warns him of
Sodom. This is where Jesus manifest Himself before the incarnation.

>-The plan for the sonship preexisted the incarnation in the mind of God
before
>      the foundation of the world

Remeber Sonship is an office to which held for a short time, in order for
Him to authority on earth he had to become a man. He was able to work on
earth before he was a man because there was an intercessor to work through.

>-The Son had its own mind, will, and possibly it's own human spirit.


The only spirit a person will ever have is either christ or satan whaen he
dies either a Holy spirit or a sinful spirit.
>-Thus Jesus Christ had to complete and different natures


Do you have two natures or one?
you are created in the image of God.
so are you saying god has two natures?
God, who is Christ, breathed His spirit into man to give him life.
Therefore he had the mind of Christ.
It was obeying satan at the tree that corrupted his mind.

I believe this, that there is a battle within us between the flesh and the
spirit.
christ taught us how to win the battle.
A relationship with your spirit, which is Christ.
Prayer and fasting.
We fast so that God can work in our life not so that god will give us what
we want.

>   1.)  human - called the Son complete with flesh,  will,  mind,  and a
human
>spirit
>   2.)  divine - complete with will,  mind,  and the divine Spirit (God the
>Father)
Keep in mind that at this point in time Jesus is the everlasting Father Isa
9:6
He is also the Holy Ghost. He spaks through us on our behalf by our speaking
in tongues.
As Paul said He is the all in all. The fullness of the Godhead bodily. God
head means absolute Diety.

>God Bless you all in the name of Jesus/God
>Marlon
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