Nestorianism (Dual natures)

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In a message dated 10/17/98 10:41:09 AM Pacific Daylight Time,
atm@wideworld.net writes:

<< This is where Jesus manifest Himself before the incarnation. >>
     Not to be "contentious" or anything,  but I have some problems with this
line of thinking.  If I am taking this wrong,  please clarify it for me.  But
are you saying that the Son manifest himself before the incarnation?  I know
for a fact that God manifest himself in many ways.  He even came as
Melchisadek.  But,  the Son was not present.  At least not the Son in flesh.
This was God who showed or manifested himself.  It was the Father showing
himself to the world in different forms.  
     If you are saying what I think you are saying,  I have some serious
problems with your implications.  They are actually saying the same thing as
any trinitarian expert of today would say.  And I am not saying that you are
trinitarian.  I believe that you are a solid oneness believer.  But what it
seems that you are implying is definitely inline with trinitarian dogma.
     The Son could not have preexisted the conception of Jesus Christ in any
way.  Only in the mind of God the Father.  Otherwise,  it means that the Son
existed along side of the Father.  Which would mean that there are at the very
least two Gods.  Because the Son would have preexisted as a spirit.  Which
would mean that there were two eternal Spirits.  This is binitarian teaching.
This is not what the Bible teaches.  
     John 1:1 teaches that the Logos existed from the beginning.  Logos means
the thoughts or intellect of God.  God's thoughts or plans were with him in
the beginning.  His thoughts or plans actually were made flesh when He came to
earth in the form of man.  The Son did not preexist the incarnation.  The
"Word"  or "Logos"  did.  But a thought is not a person.  At least not until
that thought becomes reality.

Conclusion
-The Son could not preexist the incarnation
-Thus Jesus as the Son did not manifest himself in the old testament
-God the Father did manifest himself  in various forms called theophanies.

Marlon