MY Call? Shouldn't it be GOD'S Call?

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NEW QUESTION FOR ALL WHO SUPPORT WOMEN PREACHERS/PASTORS:

BOTTOM LINE:  Do those of you who believe in women preachers believe that
you would have been allowed to Preach/Pastor in a mixed congregational
setting in one of the Churches Paul started during the time when Paul was
there?

Yes or no, please...

And I will note ONCE AGAIN, that in my highly detailed posts, there is
hardly ANY of my posts addressed by my worthy opposition on this issue. 
In this post, for instance, only THREE LINES of my various posts are even
referenced or addressed.  I put alot of time in my posts and I endeavor
to address each point in YOUR posts.  I would appreciate the same
consideration.

>>No offense, but if it goes against the Word of God, how can you >KNOW 
>it was the Call of God?
>
>Obviously, I don't believe it goes against the Word of God.

Based on what, exactly?  Do you have scripture to back up the claim of
women preachers or pastors?

No, then do you have historical proof of women having spiritual authority
over men in the early Church?

>>What barrier had to be broken down TO accept that "Call"? 
>
>The barrier was that, at one time, I thought like you, that women were 
>not called to preach.

Matter of fact, until recently, it was recognized as doctrine by the
Church.

>1. Why does Paul allow prophesying in 1 Cor. 11 only to seemingly 
>revoke it in 1 Cor. 14?

If that is what you believe, then I would say that you have an incorrect
interpretation, since the Bible does not contradict itself.

>2. Why, if this is talking about preaching in 1 Cor 14:35 does it say 
>"And if they will learn anything, let them ask their husbands at 
>home?" Sounds like a strange thing to say if he was addressing 
>preaching doesn't it?

I have never claimed that 1Corinthians 14:35 refers to this issue,
although it DOES illuminate the standard of spiritual learning at the
time of the early Church.  It was more important to Paul that the men
understand the issue and later explain it to their wives.  The man is the
head, not the woman.

>3.Why in 1 Cor 14:31 does it say " All may prophesy one by one"?  Why 
>does it not say "The men may prophesy one by one?"

Are you saying that you believe that this scripture is referring to women
addressing a congregation of men?

>4. Why does it say "the man" in 1 Tim. 2:12 and not "men" or "the 
>church"

Actually, it IS the same word: "an'-ayr", used as "men" in verse 4 and
"man" in verse 12.

And if you read it in context, you'll see that it is referring to the
Universal term "man".

Proof?

That's easy: Do you honestly believe that it is only telling HUSBANDS to
"life up holy hands everywhere"?

And only WIVES that they must dress modestly?

New Question for you:

WHO is it referring to that the women are to learn "in silence with all
subjection" to?

>5. Can you find any reference in 1 Tim. 2 that implies that this 
>chapter is about church functions at all?

I have not claimed that this is limited to "church functions".  Matter of
fact, I have indeed said that if a woman set up a website for the purpose
of ministering to both men and women, it would fall in the same
prohibition...

>6.Why does this chapter talk about "women being deceived"?

Why does it talk about women adorning themselves in modest apparel?  The
same reason; God wanted it there.

Does it pertain DIRECTLY to the issue of women having spiritual authority
over men?  

>7. Can women only be saved if they have children? (vs.15)

Actually, this verse puzzles me, even though it has nothing to do with
the issue we are talking about.

>8. If women can have no spiritual authority over men at all, why was 
>Deborah a judge and prophesied to the men that it was time to go to 
>battle, leading them to do it?

Need I explain the difference between spiritual and political positions?

My question is still unanswered; do you have an example of an Old
Testament Priest that was a woman?

Can you give me a "Yes" or "No" on this?

>9. If women have to "keep silence in the church" why did Anna prophesy 
>in the temple? Luke 2:36,37,38

Again, if you have read my posts, I have no problem with women
prophesying, but I do have a problem with them PREACHING as we understand
the term today, which means to teach or minister to a mixed gender
congregation.

>10. Why would a priest go to a woman for direction from the Lord if 
>she had no authority to speak to men? (2 Kings 22:14-20)

I didn't say that women had no authority to SPEAK to men, but to have
spiritual authority OVER men.

>11. Can a woman give a tongues or an interpretation in church if women 
>must "keep silence"? ( Especially since tongues and interpretation is 
>equal to prophecy?)

I've already explained this.  And if they are equal, why are so many
women wanting the Call to Preach or Pastor?

It's equal.  They should be satisfied, right?

>12. Why did John write unto an elect "lady" ( 2 John )?  

Because that was the target of his letter.

>Why did he give her instruction not to receive not to receive anyone who
did 
>"bring not this doctrine" to "receive him not into your house"? 

The issue of women preachers or spiritual leaders is not the doctrine
that he was talking about.  It's a short book; read it.  John is very
clear about the doctrine he is speaking of; that is, basically love one
another and keep that which ye have heard from the beginning.

Speaking of, do you really believe that John taught that women could
teach, minister to or Pastor men?

That IS the bottom line if you are trying to bring this up.

>Did they have churches in their houses? ( Romans 16:5)

Yes they did...your point?

>I spent much time and prayer over these questions when I was seeking 
>God over my own call. I hope they give you much food for thought.

I wish that you would take the time to respond to my posts as thoroughly
as I do yours.  Of my quite large post, you only quoted and responded to
THREE LINES.  I work pretty hard on these and I would appreciate the
consideration of responding to the points in my post.

My challenge remains unanswered: I have yet to see proof of ONE woman
Priest in the Old Testament or ONE woman Preacher/Pastor in the New
Testament.

Let me ask you something.  What exactly do you believe that I am saying? 
If you could sum up what you think I believe in two or three lines, what
would it be?  I'm getting the feeling from some of the above that you
have either not read my posts or I have not explained myself well enough.

Jerry Welch
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